Debating Data Centers: Fayetteville Residents Demand Protections and Accountability

Peter Pappas: Well everyone, good evening and welcome to the Carolina Cabinet. I'm your host, Peter Pappas, in studio with the lovely Laura Musler. Hello, hello. Good evening, good evening. And off to our side here, Mrs. Broxie Pone, but we will get to her in just a moment. So welcome, welcome. So here at the Cabinet, we know that we are the smartest hour of radio. We're here to give a voice to the conservatives of Fayetteville Cumberland County, and beyond. And with that, you know how we start. So how's your week been? My week is great. busy, busy, busy, yeah. Okay. Okay. Today was rough though. It was, wasn't Yeah. I fell asleep at my desk. I mean, I'm I I hope my boss isn't listening. But I was sitting there I was working and then just all of a sudden I could not keep my eyes open. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got up, walked around, sat back down, went back to work. I had I had one of those rough days myself. Did you yeah, I have to admit. But a lot of travel back and forth to Myrtle Beach this week. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. I heard you're dating a single woman now. I am dating a single woman now. Yes I am. I am. She is fully single. Yeah, a buddy. So we'll see. I might give her some latitude on that whole moving thing, but we'll see. And I she's probably just joined in, so be nice. She gonna Is she moving here? You're gonna get me in trouble. So we'll we'll we'll we'll talk about that. Okay. I don't want I don't want to scare off all the other girls around Faithville, but you I'm I want to scare off all the I like the I want to scare off all the other girls. I like the as well, but you know, hey, you know. No, we're scaring off all the is it. All the other n girls need to go away. So I'm just gonna go ahead and I'm gonna put Ms. Pone in with us because I don't think it's fair to talk about this if she can't be seen. So yeah, she's she's also a this is what I get treated to. Okay. But what did he say? I don't want to scare Waffle. no, we're scaring all. D, I got you back. I gotcha. I agree with you, Laura. I agree with you. One is enough. See what you did? You knocked your camera. See what you did? I I'm not even anywhere near my camera. You you should not be anywhere

Broxie Pone: So yeah, she's she's also this is what I get treated to. Okay. What what did you say? I don't want to scare Waff all no, we're scaring all ki Dee, I gotcha back. I gotcha. I agree with you, Lawrence. One is enough. See what you did? You knocked your camera. Oops, did I I I'm not even anywhere near my camera. You should not be anywhere

Peter Pappas: Mirror. I'm not. I can't reach it. I'll fix it. Okay, so that's fine. Are you trying to I'll make I'll make it.

Broxie Pone: near. I'm not it's I can't reach it. I'll fix it. Okay, that's fine. Are you trying to I'll make I'll make I hope you're not like Going in on my breasts is that what's easy. Easy. Okay. Good lord. What did you do? Okay, so you did something happen. I don't know. Whoop. No. Isn't it supposed to like do its own thing? I yeah, I think that's what happened. I think I left it on automatic. Now it wants to be uncooperative. See that. Yeah, okay. Well

Peter Pappas: No. Easy. Easy. Okay. Good lord. What did you do? Okay, so you did something happened. I don't know. I don't know. Isn't it supposed to like do its own thing? I yeah, I think that's what happened. I think I left it on automatic. Now it wants to be uncooperative. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well Interesting. Still down. Yeah. Okay. Well,

Broxie Pone: steal that. Yeah. Okay. Well

Peter Pappas: if you haven't ever caught an episode of our show, usually something there's always something because I can't help but screwing with everything. before So I'll be like, hello, there it went to the ceiling. Hello. it's following you. no. Yeah, okay, that's what it is. Yeah, we don't want it to do that. What's it following? You and I'm not on the roof. Okay, let's try that again.

Broxie Pone: if you haven't ever caught an episode of our show usually there's always something because I can't help but screwing with everything. before So I'll be like, Hello. How are you? there it went to the ceiling. Hello. it's following you. no. Yeah, okay, that's what it is. Yeah, we don't want it to do that. What's it following? You? I'm not on the roof. Okay, let's try that again. See, it knows where to be.

Peter Pappas: See, it knows where to be. So at any rate, good good good week. You can hear me, yeah. I can hear you, yeah. That's all that matters. You don't need to see me. Yeah. There you go. See? How about that? Something works. Hey. I'm so happy. Something works. So, okay. So not a very eventful week. Eventful week. I did some traveling, whatever. I'm now dating a single woman. That's great. Miss Pwn. What about you? Very busy. Very busy, very busy week. Very busy week. We'll get to the

Broxie Pone: So at any rate, good good good week. You can hear me, yeah. I can hear you, yeah. That's all it matters. You don't need to see me. There you go. See? How about that? Something works. Hey. So something works. So, okay. So not a very eventful week. Eventful week. I've been some traveling, whatever. I'm now dating a single woman. That's great. Miss Pwn. But what about you? Very busy week. Very busy, very busy week. Very busy. We get to the campaigny stuff, but what kind of busy week did you have?

Peter Pappas: Campaigny stuff, but what kind of busy week did you have? as being a pastor of a church, I have a lot to do. Okay. So you have to tend to the flock? yeah, I have to tend to the flock. Okay. And prepare sermons and I also help feed the homeless and touch and live street ministry. We had a truckload and a trailer load of watermelons to give away. Watermelon. Yeah. The regular red kind, or did you have the exotic, like the yellow and the no, there were the sweet

Broxie Pone: as being a pastor of a church I have a lot to do. Okay. So you have to tend to the flock. yeah, I have to tend to the flock. Okay. And prepare sermons and I also help feed the homeless and touch and live street ministry, we had a truckload and a trailer load of watermelons to give away. Yeah. The regular red kind, or do you have the exotic like the yellow? no, they were the sweet

Peter Pappas: Red round. Did they have the seeds in them or they Yes. Okay. I like them. I like I wanna spit the seeds. Yes, they had the seeds. That's better. Well, speaking of spitting that, we had a little bit of how do we how do we want to introduce this segment? I mean we so last Monday we were on live and while we were on live there was a city council meeting. So and we told you the vote was gonna happen live while we were on air last week, but they did not vote and it was kind of a letdown.

Broxie Pone: Red or round. Did they have the seeds in them or they Yes. No. I like them. I like I want to spit the seeds. Yes, they had the seeds. That's better. Well, speaking of spit and that, we have a little bit of how do we how do we want to introduce this segment? I mean we so last Monday we were on live and while we were on live there was a city council meeting. So and we don't do the vote it's gonna happen live while we were on air last week, but they did not vote and it was kind of a letdown.

Peter Pappas: that the city council voted seventy seven to three to basically punt the decision about the moratorium down the road and there was a five five tie on the moratorium led by activist councilman McMillan to just not have the moratorium at all. And why would you not have the moratorium? I don't know. I well so Councilman McMillan is pushing an agenda

Broxie Pone: that the city council voted seventy seven to three to basically punt the decision about the moratorium down the road and there was a five five tie on the moratorium led by activist councilman McMillan to just not have the moratorium at all. And why would you not have the moratorium? I don't know. I well, so Councilman McMillan is pushing an agenda

Peter Pappas: that we are going to be researching and getting into that someone else is funding him and driving him from afar. So we'll be uncovering that. DSA thing is it? Socialism is here in America. You know what? it's some of the things that are come across my desk and some of the research I'm doing shows that someone else is pulling his gears. Wow. So we're about to expose all that good stuff. But let's look at the facts. the vote to vote to postpone seven to three

Broxie Pone: that we are going to be researching and getting into that someone else is funding him and driving him from afar. So we'll be in covering that. Socialism is here in America. You know what? it's some of the things that are come across my desk and some of the research I'm doing shows that someone else is pulling his gears. Wow. So we're about to expose all that good stuff. But let's look at the facts. so the vote to vote to postpone seven to three

Peter Pappas: In the yes column was Mayor Colvin, Councilwoman Lynn Green, Councilman Dino Hondros, Malik Davis, and Brenda McNair, DJ Hare and Derek Thompson voting no in opposition, Mr. McMillan, Stefan Ferguson, and Antonio Jones. So then when it came to the moratorium failing, the way it split was Councilman McMillan, Hondros Green, Ferguson Jones, and somebody's calling. Is that the number you know?

Broxie Pone: In the yes column was Mayor Colvin, Councilwoman Lynn Green, Councilman Dino Hondros, Malik Davis, and Brenda McNair, DJ Hare and Derek Thompson voting no in opposition, Mr. McMillan, Stefan Ferguson, and Antonio Jones. So then when it came to the moratorium failing, the way it split was Councilman McMillan, Hondros Green, Ferguson Jones, and somebody's calling. Is that number enough? I would think

Peter Pappas: I don't think so.

Broxie Pone: so.

Peter Pappas: Wouldn't that shock somebody if nine four five three two zero? I don't know. I don't know. Anyway. All right. I told her I was gonna call her. So wouldn't that be funny for a scam caller to call? Hey, you're live on the cabinet. Yeah. Yeah, go right ahead. so in support, we actually had former Senator John Zoka speaking on behalf. He's now CEO of the Conservative Energy Network. he called the draft that he's seen one of the best he's seen across twenty-six states that his organization tracks. but

Broxie Pone: Wouldn't that shock somebody if they're nine four five three? Was that her? I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, all right. I told her we'll him back. So wouldn't that be funny for a scam caller to call, hey you're live on the cabinet. Yeah. Yeah, go right ahead. so in support, we actually had former Senator John Zoka speaking on behalf. He's now CEO of the Conservative Energy Network. he called the draft that he's seen one of the best he's seen across twenty six states that his organization tracks. but

Peter Pappas: It is still lacking mandatory water usage reporting and utility capacity certification before permits are issued. So we did have some positive view on the data center issue that we're getting in the right we're getting in right direction. But it's it's coming, whether you like it or not, it's coming. It's just whether we can get enough stuff in place in order to do it properly. Right. And so the thing about it what what caught my eye about last week's meeting, not just the whole seven to three thing and the five to five vote, was that there was some unrest.

Broxie Pone: It is still lacking mandatory water usage reporting and utility capacity certification before performance are issued. So we did have some positive view on the data center issue that we're getting in the right we're getting in the right direction. But it's it's coming, whether you like it or not, it's coming. It's just whether we can get enough stuff in place in order to do it properly. Right. And so the thing about it what what caught my eye about last week's meeting, not just the whole seven to three thing and the five to five vote, was that there was some unrest.

Peter Pappas: at the hearing. Really? Well, yes, you know, to me it's tomato tomato. One person's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist type of thing. You know, so I don't it just depends perspective and where you're sitting. now there were two articles by our beloved Bill Kirby from the City of You magazine. he had two. One was about decorum at the at the meeting, which we have two guests this evening that are going to call in just briefly

Broxie Pone: at the hearing. Really? Well, you know, to me it's tomato tomato. One person's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist type of thing, you know. So I I don't it just depends perspective and where you're sitting. now there were two articles by our beloved Bill Kirby from the City View magazine. he had two. One was about decorum at the at the meeting, which we have two guests this evening that are gonna call in just briefly.

Peter Pappas: I want to talk to them about how they would characterize how things went. Okay. But then there was another article that Mr. Kirby made about how we have much to learn, but we are learning a lot about the data center. So it was kind of a man on the street type, and then there was kind of the informational but here we are kind of articles. Well, I do agree that these meetings are supposed to be held in decorum. However, comma, when they're s up there saying Mayor Mitch Colvin, he's the greatest, yeah, and everybody applauds, that's okay.

Broxie Pone: I want to talk to them about how they would characterize how things went. Okay. But then there was another article that Mr. Kirby made about how we have much to learn, but we are learning a lot about the data center. So it was kind of a man on the street type and then there was kind of the informational but here we are kind of article. Well, I do agree that these meetings are supposed to be held in decorum. However, Tom, when they're s up there saying, Mayor Mitch Colvin, he's the greatest Yeah, and everybody applauds, that's okay.

Peter Pappas: Nobody's getting kicked out for applauding. Right. No. But if somebody's like Mayor Colvin's the what is it, the crooked or something like that. I don't know. Not that not that I think that I'm just saying I'm repeating, then all of a sudden we're kicking people out. Right. So if we're going to she says she's calling in now. Okay. All right. Well If we're gonna hear the good, we gotta hear the bad too. In in my humble opinion, as long as we're not like chanting or anything. I agree with you. Okay, well let's

Broxie Pone: Nobody's getting kicked out for a plot. Right. No. But if somebody's like, Mayor Colvin's the what is it, the crooked or something like that? I don't know. Not that not that I think that I'm just saying repeating. Then all of a sudden we're kicking people out. Right. So if we're going to she says she's calling in now. Okay. Well If we're gonna hear the good, we gotta hear the bad too. In in my humble opinion, as long as we're not like chanting her in I agree with you. Okay, well let's

Peter Pappas: Let's go to the first. we're gonna go to Mr. Zach Traylor He was the one that was mentioned. Kara says in Carol says she'll wait. She's watching on Facebook at the moment. There we go. There we go. All right. Well, there's Mr. Zach Zach Trailer. Zach, good evening, sir. How are you? Good to have you on. Hey, Zach. so Zach, tell us. I read the City View article with Mr. Kirby and his characterization of everything. you know, I did message you and said,

Broxie Pone: Let's go to the first. we're gonna go to Mr. Zach Trailer. He was the one that was mentioned. Keris is in Carol says she'll wait. She's watching on Facebook. Okay, there we go. All right, well there's Mr. Zach Zach Trailer. Zach, good evening, sir. How are you? Good to have you on. Hi, Zach. so Zach, tell us I read the City View article with Mr. Kirby and his characterization of everything. you know, I did message you and

Zach Traylor: How are you? Hi Laura. Hi Hi Po Miss Pohn.

Broxie Pone: said pretty much, you know, because I'm the elder, I'm like, you did not do that. And you were like, what are you talking about in your Facebook message? But how would you characterize how the meeting went and the impact of your speech?

Peter Pappas: pretty much, you know, 'cause I'm the elder, I'm like, You did not do that. And you were like, What are you talking about in your Facebook message? But how would you characterize how the meeting went and the impact of your speech?

Zach Traylor: The meeting overall was very hostile from both sides. I mean I'm pretty sure most of the people who showed up, including myself, we kinda felt like we knew where the meeting was going. I was actually a little bit shocked at how it ended with them actually sending the UDO back to be revised, which as a public administrator, I love that minutia. But like city council and the mayor, he he knew what was coming. He knew that whether it was PSL and those crazy Marxists or Miss Angela Tatum like Fayetteville Freedom for All. Like many people were showing up specifically because they didn't like him. I actually

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm.

Broxie Pone: Mm-hmm.

Zach Traylor: hadn't originally planned to at all flip him off. That was one of those I had been talking to one of my friends, Zoe, and she wasn't able to make it. And she had jokingly said that, and a couple of my our friends had been like, yeah, like he kind of deserves it. So it was almost like I did it in the moment, but it was one of those, like, I was the youngest person speaking. Many of us couldn't be at the meeting, so I was like, Yeah, I'm gonna do what our

Broxie Pone: Mm-hmm.

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm.

Zach Traylor: what me and my peers want in this in this one moment within, you know, the bounds of what's allowed.

Peter Pappas: Okay. Okay. So So you were saying your number one. Yeah, you're you're number one with the wrong finger, I think. so look, you mentioned I mean you you do you're not foreign to any of this political stuff. So I'm just gonna say that right now. You know a lot of the comments. Yeah, I he's very active. He knows a couple of things for his don't let his age betray you. This man's pretty smart. But you did mention the corrupt gang, what was it corrupt game of six?

Broxie Pone: Okay, okay. So So you were saying you're number one. Yeah, you're you're number one with the wrong finger, I think. so look, you mentioned I mean you you do you're not foreign to any of this political stuff. So I'm just gonna say that right now. You know a lot of the concept. Absolutely. Yeah, I he's very active he knows a couple of things for his don't let his age betray you. This man's pretty smart. But you did mention the corrupt gang, what was it, corrupt game of six?

Peter Pappas: Who are the so who who is the Who are the six? I wanna know.

Zach Traylor: Gang of sex, yes.

Broxie Pone: Or the So who who is the guy? I wanna

Zach Traylor: The

Broxie Pone: know.

Zach Traylor: six, so I see Cumberland County and Fayetteville politics very from from the actions. And I see six people on that board, Mitch Colvin, Stephon Ferguson, Malik Davis, DJ Hare, the mayor himself, Mitch Colvin, and who is that? Thompson and Brenda McNair. They almost all six vote the same way. Stefan Ferguson seems to, as the new person, kind of take some of that heat because he isn't entirely step and toe. But those six have dictated our city politics this entire term. And if you go back last year, there were a couple other members who no longer on the board who who would fit that description. But there's

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm.

Zach Traylor: six people on the board that are basically pro-Mitch. And the other four, Antonio Jones is just a down-to-earth guy. He loves his spectacle, but he really believes what he says. You have Sean Mc McMillan, who's a leftist. You have my own city councilwoman, Miss Green, who I love to death and the only Republican there. She's a proceduralist. And then you have I can't believe Dino, who kinda he's

Peter Pappas: D Dino Handros.

Broxie Pone: D did not have those.

Zach Traylor: the independent. He sometimes goes for Mitch or whatnot. But overall, like those are the six people that are fighting. And I think the other four kinda need to focus on coalition building and figuring out how do you get those extra two. And so my remarks were kinda too Point that out specifically. Like, hey, we all know who votes where. Let's stop, you know, tiptoeing around it. My generation's kind of tired of.

Peter Pappas: Okay. So are they just p following party lines or are they actually just following 'cause

Broxie Pone: Okay. So are they just p following party lines or are they actually just following 'cause

Zach Traylor: N no, they so they are all six Democrats, but they're none of them attend any Democratic function. Outside of Antonio Jones, he supports the young Democrats. the others, you know, Miss Green not Miss Green, but the six the corrupt six, they never show up to anything. They are as they last year when the Democrats tried to endorse a specific candidate 'cause we had that jungle of ten last year. Mayor Mitch Colvin y had one of his people come to the meeting just to disrupt it and prevent that vote. None of these six are part of the Democrats and personally as a young Democrat, I'm it it frustrates me because they have these resources and they give a middle finger to the community, to their own political party, to, you know, anyone that's not paying them a dime on their campaign finance.

Peter Pappas: Okay. Okay. Well, let me ask you this. Aside from the meeting, you know, s take away that moment at the hearing for a minute. Okay. What do you actually want to see the council do in October? I mean, do you want a full moratorium, a specific setback and water rules? Do you want to kill this thing outright? Like, what do you what does Zach want to see out of this?

Broxie Pone: let me ask you this, aside from the meeting, you know, s take away that moment at the hearing for a minute. Okay. What do you actually want to see the council do in October? I mean, do you want a full moratorium, a specific setback and water rules? Do you want to kill this thing outright? Like, what do you what does Zach want to see out of

Zach Traylor: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Broxie Pone: this?

Zach Traylor: What I want is a moratorium. I don't care if it's six months or twelve months. I would personally like 12 months, but as someone who understands public administration, taking a look at how they were asking these questions to the public administers and the our civil servants, they were asking very specific questions, Mitch Colvin. They were asking questions that gave them an answer, you know, going back to the road safety. They were focusing on this and that. They weren't asking the real questions. I want, as a public administrator, to give our those who we pay the good money, some of the best money in our city, to actually sit down and plan. What I would love is at least a thousand foot setback from the entrance of the facility to any other property line. My big one is electric consumption. We are one of the only municipalities with an independent PWC. We need to use that and make sure that whatever electricity they're doing, they should have to invest an equal amount into PWC. Cause if they leave in three or five years for a data center, when the data center bubble pops, I wanna make sure that we still have some good jobs. And if they're forced to invest in into PWC and put up enough money to make up for the electricity they're going to use, even if they leave, that electricity and power stays. water is important, but a lot of the systems are closed looped and I think that is

Broxie Pone: Yeah.

Zach Traylor: put out of proportion in some cases.

Peter Pappas: Okay, agreed. So you want a morat moratorium until they can come up with these specific things?

Broxie Pone: So you want a morat moratorium until they can come up with these specific things.

Zach Traylor: Yep. Yeah. And I think they're very reasonable. I mean, I we're using the internet which uses some sort of data center. Let's just make sure in Dino's own words, Fayetteville gets a Fayetteville sized data center. Whatever fits our community.

Peter Pappas: Okay. Okay. That sounds like that's unreasonable. Okay. So we're not so those of you on the blue team with the blue jersey on, okay, we got the red jersey. People are chatting. People are. yeah, I'm gonna have to thanks a lot. You're welcome. Throwing away more technical stuff that I can't control right this moment, Laura. we will get to the chat in a moment. but so all of you on the blue team, so to speak, and you know we're very much in the middle here at the cabinet, but you're not you're not pursuing this thing like

Broxie Pone: Okay. Okay. That sounds right. So okay, so we're not so those of you on the blue team with the blue jersey on, okay, we got the red jersey. People are. yeah, I'm gonna have to thanks a lot for throwing away more technical stuff that I can't control right this moment, Laura. we will get to the chat in a moment. but so all of you on the blue team, so to speak, and you know we're very much in the middle here at the cabinet, but you're not you're not pursuing this thing

Zach Traylor: Mm-hmm.

Broxie Pone: like

Peter Pappas: Screw the data centers forever. You understand they're coming. You just are trying to slow it down to where you can control a little bit.

Broxie Pone: screw the data sentence forever. You understand they're coming. You just are trying to slow it down to where you can control a little

Zach Traylor: Mm-hmm. We want it to

Broxie Pone: bit.

Zach Traylor: make sure that it fits our community. I mean, a big

Peter Pappas: Okay.

Zach Traylor: one that I feel is under talked about is the infrastructure needed. If they're going to be annexing a new part of the county and bringing that in, that's additional waste, sewer, water, roads, electricity. These are meaningful things. In our city, it's about forty thousand dollars per mile to keep up with our infrastructure. We need to if this is going to be three miles in the boonies, but still technically part, that could be a hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year just to maintain that road. add in the police service, all these other things, we I want to make sure that it's financially sound. And, you know, I do think there's a bubble and I personally think it'll pop within the next six to twelve months. And I don't want to hold that bag for someone else because if it pops, data centers are leaving. We still have that built.

Peter Pappas: Well I have a question. I don't know if it's gonna pop though. I I don't th I think if anything it's gonna grow. I mean everybody we're using we're using these data centers to figure out our argument against data centers. I mean, if you think about it.

Broxie Pone: Well I have a question. I don't know if it's gonna bother. I I don't th I think if anything it's gonna grow. I mean everybody we're using we're using these data centers to figure out our argument against data centers. I mean, if you think about

Zach Traylor: Okay. I I think

Broxie Pone: it.

Zach Traylor: I I really think that they're coming, but I think that if you look at the finances behind it, if you dig into the open AI and all NVIDIA, like

Peter Pappas: Mm, that's

Zach Traylor: a lot of the actions they're doing mimic what happened prior to the housing collapse. And so I think it's over leverage, but it's true utility is being found out now. And I love utility. I love not having to

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm.

Zach Traylor: waste time on an email when AI can in theory write, you know, a generic one and I can fill in the blanks. What I don't want is that AI to over take over everything, it pops and we still have that back.

Peter Pappas: Gotcha, gotcha. Okay. go ahead, Miss Pwn. You had a question. Are you waiting on more research? Is that what are you waiting on? More research sound data.

Broxie Pone: Got you, gotcha. Okay. go ahead, Miss Pone, you a question. Yes, are you waiting on more research? Is that what are you waiting on more research sound data?

Zach Traylor: I yes, I'm a student at Fayetteville State, I love numbers. There is not enough

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm.

Zach Traylor: data in either the medium or long term what's going to happen, even some of the short term effects. We hear noise pollution from generators, what have you, these are not being studied. If we can have really six to twelve months, you can have a good study that can tell you the impact of our city. And if it turns out that all of this is overblown, I'll be the first one to accept it. I'll say I was wrong, but That isn't what we're seeing right now. And what we are seeing is higher levels of heavy metal in communities, property values dropping

Peter Pappas: Yes.

Broxie Pone: Yes.

Zach Traylor: within three miles of these new facilities. I'm a homeowner. I made a joke that on at City Council that yes, you know, I support this because as a homeowner, my value will go down and I'll pay less taxes. But that was the point. We don't want that. For many of us, our homes is the only investment we have. So we need research. Yes. Yep.

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm. It's the largest investment you'll ever make in your life. As a realtor, you're correct.

Broxie Pone: It's the largest investment you'll ever make in your life. As a realtor, you're correct.

Peter Pappas: Yes, yes, yes. That's another hat that you wear. Yes, it is. Yeah, we're gonna know that. so I do want to respond to one of the chat. I don't know who Barbara is, but I know Sean McMillan well enough to know that he has not responded to any requests to come on this program. So maybe a man of integrity knows how to pick up the phone and call me back. So I'll just go ahead and

Broxie Pone: Yes, yes, yes. That's another hat that you wear for. Okay, yeah, we're gonna know that. so I do wanna respond to one of the chat. I don't know who Barbara is, but I know Sean McMillan well enough to know that he has not responded to any requests to come on this program. So maybe a man of integrity knows how to pick up the phone and call me back. So I'll just go ahead and put that in your ear and I'll let you

Peter Pappas: Put that in your ear and I'll let you talk to Mr. McMillan for me then. I'm trying to show the in studio chat. I don't know if you can see any of that, Zach. I d I don't know if you can see this is yeah.

Broxie Pone: Talk to Mr. McMillan for me then. I'm trying to show the in studio chat. I don't know if you can see any of that, Zach. I don't know if you can see. This is Yeah.

Zach Traylor: no, but it's I I have a feeling, you know, people say what they do. I love Miss Green. I'm a Democrat and I say she's the most principled Republican out there and I love her to death.

Peter Pappas: Are you gonna lose your Democrat

Broxie Pone: Are you gonna lose your Democrat

Peter Pappas: card for saying something like that on open air? 'Cause you know

Broxie Pone: card for saying something like that on open air? 'Cause you

Zach Traylor: I'll say

Broxie Pone: know

Zach Traylor: this, if it was between Mitch Colvin or Lynn Green for mayor, I know many young Democrats who would be campaigning for Miss Green. I think

Peter Pappas: Okay.

Broxie Pone: Okay.

Zach Traylor: principle really does matter, for a lot of us.

Peter Pappas: Okay. Hello. Miss Carol. Yes. Hi, this

Broxie Pone: Miss Carol. Hi,

Peter Pappas: is Peter with Carolina Cabinet here with in studio with Laura Mussler. Zach Trailer's joining us on video. And so is Ms. Broxie Pone. We're all here waiting for you. Hello, fellow grandmother. I did not realize we had a grandmother in common over here. Yes, we both share a grandson. Well, congratulations. Your kids did great work. You know, good job. So so

Broxie Pone: this is Peter with Carolina Cabinet here with in studio with Laura Mussler. Zach Trailer is joining us on video. And so is Ms. Broxie Pone. We're all here waiting for you. Hello, fellow grandmother. I did not realize we had a grandmother in common over here. Yes, we both share a grandson. Okay, well, congratulations. Your kids did great work, you know. Good job. So so

Peter Pappas: We've been speaking to Mr. Trailer over here for the last few minutes, and of course we have pointed questions for you. I did of course we saw the I'm just gonna go ahead and say the performance at last Monday City Hall. I saw the video because we were live while that was going on, but I saw the City View article. And the reason I wanted to ask you on this evening, just to give me some background, how would you characterize what happened at that meeting last week?

Broxie Pone: We've been speaking to Mr. Trailer over here for the last few minutes and of course we have pointy questions for you. I did of course we saw the I'm just gonna go and say the performance at last Monday City Hall. I saw the video because we were live while that was going on, but I saw the City View article. And the reason I wanted to ask you on this even just to give me some background, how would you characterize what happened at that meeting last week?

Peter Pappas: Okay, well first I wanna say that I work for a non profit organization, Action N C and we have offices in Fayetteville, Charlotte, and Durham. That's my commercial. Okay. And then I want to say

Broxie Pone: Okay, okay, okay.

Peter Pappas: I am a chanter. every time I've been in front of city council or the county commissioner, I start with show me what democracy looks like. That is something we all should agree

Broxie Pone: Yes, ma'am.

Peter Pappas: on, regardless of political party. And since people are identifying what political party they're with, I am unaffiliated. Just just so know.

Broxie Pone: Okay.

Peter Pappas: And the people that I represent are all of the above. Mm-hmm. that was an interesting meeting. They had a heavy police presence. There was a rally before people went in and the police were lined up around the city. So I don't know, around the rural courtyard there. I I it it was extra more than normal. Okay. And then when you came inside the building, the again they were standing just everywhere. Midway through, our mayor said, and y and you can go back and look at it, he had the police chief stand up. If there's another outburst, I want you to take them out, no matter who they are. Mm-hmm. Apparently at the end of my little speech, I didn't say everything I'd written because I was commenting to different things that they were that they had said, particularly

Laura Mussler: you

Peter Pappas: the comments about Blanton Road and he's listening to the people. He got a text message Sunday morning about I don't know someone's dog died or whatever that they did. And then Sean had brought up we should follow procedure no matter what it is. It's a good thing to lower the speed limit, but we need to do things it decent in order to sum that up. I turned around after my speech and I said forward together. And the response is not one step back. That triggered, I don't know what. I tried to sit down and the police officer said, You have to leave. What? I looked at him, I What? This is part of my speech. I was trying to show him, like, look, it forward together. That's what I say at the end. He was like, No, you have to leave. Then he said If you don't leave, I will have to arrest you. I am six foot tall. I started crying like a baby. What? I have to leave? What? So I get to the lobby. There's he waved other people over because I didn't leave right away because I'm standing there like, what the hell is happening?

Broxie Pone: Yeah.

Peter Pappas: I i it I I I just didn't understand. Yeah. They took out a veteran,

Broxie Pone: Yeah, yeah.

Peter Pappas: they took out other people, they took out other people that were there. To talk about data centers or people that responded to forward together, not one step back. I'm in the lobby now with several police officers around me. Mr. McMillan, he came off of the diocese to come and check on me. It's kind of a big deal. He's like, Miss Carol, don't go anywhere. Stay right there. So he's off to the side talking to the chief of police. I'm surrounded with police. He's You need to leave. You need to go. So I'm standing there with my son. Other people left out. Miss Carol, you okay? I I'm fine. I just don't understand what they're gonna arrest me for. And this wasn't civil disobedience. I was speaking to the city council and everybody else, and I'm so they're holding you liable for what everybody else did.

Broxie Pone: So they are holding you liable for what everybody else did.

Peter Pappas: I guess. I'm I am not clear. I am still not clear. in hindsight, my three minutes was up and they consider that a loud outburst.

Broxie Pone: Okay.

Peter Pappas: I am not sure. No one can give me a clear Answer. So even if take anybody out who's having a loud outburst, I don't care who you are, and that happened to be me, the community was upset. I because

Broxie Pone: Mm-hmm.

Peter Pappas: I am not out of character in what I've been doing. I Okay. Well let's talk about because we did have former Senator John Zoka there. do you disagree with 'cause he he says, Look, the council has drafted the ordinance, it's one of the best ones he's seen.

Broxie Pone: Okay. Well let's talk about because we did have former Senator John Zoka there. do you disagree with 'cause he he says look the council has drafted the ordinance, it's one of the best ones he's seen,

Peter Pappas: And that there is work to be done, but it's on a good start. So do you agree or disagree with that?

Broxie Pone: and that there is work to be done, but it's on a good start. So do you agree or disagree with that?

Peter Pappas: Can I be both? I agree with some, but not all. I am about I'm about protections for the community. The data center

Broxie Pone: Okay.

Peter Pappas: is coming, we know it. We also have to use the words mega and hyper scale. We already have data centers here in Fayetteville. There's one in the system building. We already have

Broxie Pone: Yes. Mm-hmm.

Peter Pappas: them, we're already using them. Do we need mega ones? And if they're going to come, we need protections for us water, air, electricity, sound, our health. I mean, if you think about what happened with Kimwars and what's been happening moving forward, had people

Broxie Pone: Mm-hmm.

Peter Pappas: did this much ahead of time, we may not be contaminated with PFAS. So what regulations what what regulations would you like to see? 'Cause Zach was nice enough to give us a couple. Are there any specifics that you would like to see?

Broxie Pone: Mm-hmm. So what regulations what what regulations would you like to see? 'Cause Dak was nice enough to give us a couple. Are there any specifics that you would like to see?

Peter Pappas: I agree with what he was saying. We with some of what he was saying. two or three football fields away from the community for the noise. I would like a real sound barrier. You know, when you drive down the highway and you see those brick walls up so the community doesn't have to hear the cars going by at bzillion miles an hour. We need something. I want that car that drives a zillion up.

Broxie Pone: I want that car that drives a zillion.

Peter Pappas: Miles an hour. You already got a left foot, lady. You don't need any more. Yeah. Okay. So the the so you think there are actual physical barriers that need to be erected to these things and there's so you see a way forward. You're not just saying no data center because you know they're coming. So you're willing to admit, okay, we're gonna need to do this responsibly for our community and what fits for us.

Broxie Pone: You already got a lead foot, lady. You don't need any more. Yeah. Okay, so so you think there are actual physical barriers that need to be erected to these things and there's so you see a way forward. You're not just saying no data center because you know they're coming. So you're willing to admit, Okay, we're gonna need to do this responsibly for our community and what fits for us.

Peter Pappas: I would say that so far the opposition, quote unquote the opposition

Broxie Pone: I would say that so far the opposition, quote unquote the opposition,

Peter Pappas: Does not sound unreasonable. Mm-hmm. Based on my I think it's a stretch to really find anybody that's like raw, raw data center. It's just how do we do this responsibly for our community? There one guy, there was one guy? Did you get his name?

Broxie Pone: does not sound unreasonable. Based on my I think it's a stretch to really find anybody that's like raw, raw data center. It's just how do we do this responsibly for our community? There one guy, there was one guy? Did you get his name?

Zach Traylor: There was the one dude at the meeting. There's one guy, he had a shirt and he was like he just held up his laptop and was like, This is why we need them and walked away.

Peter Pappas: I'm gonna get that t-shirt, rah rah data center. Ra data center. Okay. Well, those that are in Grace Creek that which is my family, yeah, and that church actually was one of the ones that sold that to DuPont Key Moore's and the majority of the people have suffered cancer. Yes. Yes almost. So that's why you're getting the kickback.

Broxie Pone: That I'm gonna get that t shirt, Ra Ra Data Center. Well those that are in Grace Creek that which is my family. Yeah. and that church actually was one of the ones that sold that to DuPont Chemours. And the majority of the people have suffered cancer. Yes. Yes. Almost. So that's why you're getting the kickback.

Peter Pappas: Is because it has affected a lot of families in Grace. I know it's affected Miss Carroll 'cause I'm by by by birth of grandchildren related to her and I know what she's going through. She's having a very you know Yes. So And she was at our meeting this Saturday, so she already spoke at Mount Hebrew, so I heard you Carol. Okay. I I I spoke a little. Yes, she did. Because

Broxie Pone: is because it has affected a lot of families in Greece. I know it's affected Miss Carroll because I'm by by by birth of grandchildren related to her and I know what she's going through. She's having a fair you know Yes. And she was at our meeting this Saturday, so she already spoke at Mount Hebrew, so I heard you care. Okay. Yes, she did.

Peter Pappas: of P FAS I on dialysis because of the water. I worked in Grace Creek, I worked at the school elementary, at the Alderman

Broxie Pone: Yes, that's right.

Peter Pappas: Road Elementary School. They were busting in water, but we were still drinking the water. That's right. They

Broxie Pone: Yes, correct?

Peter Pappas: had to cook it just it's a long story. Well you're more closed loose loop system, it still has

Broxie Pone: Well, you're still gonna mm-hmm.

Peter Pappas: to have a way to discharge the water into our already contaminated area. That's just

Broxie Pone: Agreed.

Peter Pappas: that's just a thing. I d I don't know how to Well Miss Carroll, there's obviously things that I think

Broxie Pone: Well, Miss Carol, there's obviously things that I think I like to say sometimes are above my pay grade that we need to figure out. I don't think we know everything that we don't know about data centers. I do wanna bring up some comments in the chat that I know you cannot see because you're calling in. Yeah, you have a little bit of support here. You got some queue leaders. Let's see. Rory says he was kick or he or she was kicked out for doing the response to Carol's speech at the beginning of your speech

Peter Pappas: I like to say sometimes they're above my pay grade that we need to figure out. I don't think we know everything that we don't know about data centers. I do wanna bring up some comments in the chat that I know you cannot see because you're calling in. Yeah, a little you have a little bit of support here. You got some cheerleaders. Let's see. Rory says he was k or he or she was kicked out for doing the response to Carol's speech at the beginning of your speech. And

Broxie Pone: and

Peter Pappas: I think he played, I think it was a gentleman, he played the sound of what a hyperscale data center sounded like, although I couldn't hear that on the YouTube of the video. And then lady named Barbara says that Carol has said the same chance before. And after speaking many times prior to this, Colvin chose to make an example of you. And one thing I will I did want to mention, I think I overheard you say, I've actually taken people to the polls for some of you.

Broxie Pone: I think he played, I think it was a gentleman, he played the sound of what a hyperscale data center sounded like, although I couldn't hear that on the YouTube of the video. And then lady named Barbara says that Carol has said these same chants before, and after speaking many times prior to this, Colvin chose to make an example of you. And one thing I will I did want to mention, I think I overheard you say, I've actually taken people to the polls for some of you.

Peter Pappas: When you when you were leaving. So let me ask you this you're gonna that again? Or maybe take some people for the polls that are different of the people you drove last time? Because we could certainly use some fresh blood on there instead of the same intersectionally appropriate Democrats. Do you can you take somebody new?

Broxie Pone: When you when you relieve. So, let me ask you that you gonna do that again? Or maybe take some people for the polls that are different of the people you drove last time? Because we could certainly use some fresh blood on there instead of the same intersectionally appropriate Democrats. Do you can you can you find somebody new?

Peter Pappas: Yes, I do. Yes, I will. I've taken

Broxie Pone: Okay.

Peter Pappas: Republicans and Democrats to the polls and I even taken my friend who's past now, he was blind and you know, I secretly took a picture of the ballot. Yeah, I still mark Republican for him because

Broxie Pone: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Peter Pappas: that's what that's his right. Who am I just want people to vote? Only twelve percent of people

Broxie Pone: Yeah. And she

Peter Pappas: in Fayetteville overall voted. So if you wanted to have something different, you should have brought your butt to the pole. You have to do more than just register. So my answer is yes. And she even helped me find poll workers when I ran. Go ahead, Zach.

Broxie Pone: Thank you. That's the truth. And she even helped me find pole workers when I ran. Go ahead, Zach.

Zach Traylor: Yep. That's my That's my biggest issue with that's my biggest issue with PSL this entire I'm happy that they're getting involved. I may fundamentally disagree with them on politics and philosophy, but they had a chance multiple times to get involved. They knew who Mitch Colvin was, they knew Mario was running against him, Tisha Waddell, when it was finally Kathy and him. They had a chance in several of these races to be some sort of activist voice and instead they kind of just sat down. And you know, I'm happy they're engaged now, but it's so infuriating that so it took this to get people involved and seeing people who willingly chose not to is just it can get really frustrating as a young person who there's only so many of us young people who try to be involved.

Peter Pappas: Okay. All right. Well Zach and Carol, thank you for hopping in this evening. I think we just got both sides of tonight's fight. Definitely unedited and live. That was fun. So I'm gonna say goodnight to you two and we're gonna continue on talking smack about the state legislature now. We got some other we got some other things to discuss this evening, and of course we have a lovely guest this evening. So for anybody that's watching, after

Broxie Pone: All right. Well, Zach and Carol, thank you for hopping in this evening. I think we just got both sides of tonight's fight. Definitely unedited in life. That was fun. So I'm gonna say good night to you two and we're gonna continue on talking smack about the state legislature now. We got some other we got some other things to discuss this evening and of course we have a lovely guest this evening. So for anybody that's watching, after

Zach Traylor: Have a great one.

Peter Pappas: we finish our live broadcast. We will have it to where you can like, follow, subscribe, and you can get the full versions of Ms. Pwn's interview upcoming. So let's move on to the I should probably hang up first. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, thank you guys. Zach just he just jumped the heck off of there. Yeah. He was like he said bye. See you later. Things I got to do. But I'm glad he talked about voting. I used to teach politics.

Broxie Pone: we finish our live broadcast we will have it to where you can like, follow, subscribe and you can get the full versions of Ms. Pone's interview upcoming. So let's move on to the comment hands. Yeah. Thank you, thank you guys. Zach just he just jumped the heck off of it. Yeah. But I'm but I'm glad he talked about voting. I used to teach politics.

Peter Pappas: Everybody needs to vote. You used to, they stopped doing that, didn't they? No, they changed it, but it's Yeah, we need more to we need more. Yes, okay. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Well, Governor Sign signed four bills into law on Tuesday, and he used the signing to publicly call out his own legislator for what he called petty provisions. Yeah, he used the pen to throw an elbow at his own legislature. That was pretty funny. he didn't name names though.

Broxie Pone: Everybody needs to vote. You used to, they stopped doing that, didn't they? No, they changed it, but it's Yeah, we need more to we need more. Yes. Okay. Need more. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Well, Governor Stein signed four bills into law on Tuesday and he used the signing to publicly call out his own legislator for what he called petty provisions. He yeah, he used the pen to throw an elbow at his own legislature. That was pretty funny. he didn't name names though.

Peter Pappas: So we had to so we did the work that Raleigh reporters had to do for him. It comes down to a Democrat losing an automatic seat on a finance board and two state police agencies getting to buy their own office furniture without the governor signing off on it. That's what he was aggro about. But let's talk about what he did sign. So SB four forty-five was for housing and renewable energy. Stein, Governor Stein says it cuts the red tape to help produce more houses and apartments.

Broxie Pone: So we had to so we did the work that Raleigh reporters had to do for him. It comes down to a Democrat losing an automatic seat on a finance board and two state police agencies getting to buy their own office furniture without the governor signing off on it. That's what he was aggro about. But let's talk about what he did sign. So SB 445 was for housing and renewable energy. Stein, Governor Stein says it cuts the red tape to help produce more houses and apartments.

Peter Pappas: And ease the solar panel installation for families, but who cares about solar? Well, actually. here we go. All right. Hold on. Here we go. I'm not a big solar person, whatever. But my mom in it l her bill in her little teeny tiny house was f almost five hundred dollars. She installed solar panels, it was a hundred and thirty five dollars. That is correct. Okay. But you still have to be connected to the grid.

Broxie Pone: and ease of solar pan installation for families, but who cares about solar. Well actually here we go. All right hold on here we go. I'm not a big solar person, whatever. But but my mom in it her bill in her little teeny tiny house was almost five hundred dollars. Mm-hmm. She installed solar panels, it was one hundred and thirty five dollars. I just connected to the grid.

Peter Pappas: See, that's the ridiculous.

Broxie Pone: See that's the ridiculous see,

Peter Pappas: None of our governments are allowing us to independently like have solar and whatever and be independent because if you want a certific certificate of occupancy for your building, you must get the money connect to the grid. It's all about the money. Until we see that change, don't I'm not gonna be tickled pink about no solar. But I there's a big difference between five hundred and a hundred and thirty five dollars. That is a big difference. And there's not enough information about solars on houses either. And like you like to say, well actually

Broxie Pone: none of our governments are allowing us to independently like have solar and whatever and be independent. Because if you want a certific certificate of occupancy for your building, you must get the money to grid. Until we see that change, don't I'm not gonna be ticked and think about no one solar. But I there's a big difference between five hundred and a hundred and thirty five dollars. And it's a big difference. And there's not enough information about solar zone houses. And like you like to say, well actually

Peter Pappas: how much is your mother's payment for those solar panels?

Broxie Pone: how much is your mother's payment for those solar payments?

Peter Pappas: I don't know, but that o over the long run it will pay for itself, obviously when she saved almost four hundred dollars in one month. I hope so. I I just that that's my concern with the solar is that it takes so long to get your money back off of that. So all right. So Governor Stein was a little petty, petty betty over the weekend, you know, over the Well what about HBO they can buy their own furniture? HB two sixty eight, let's talk about that one. Yep.

Broxie Pone: I don't know, but that o over the long run it will pay for itself, obviously when she saved almost four hundred dollars in one month. I hope so. I I just that that's my concern with the solar is that it takes so long to get your money back off of that. So all right, so governor signed a little petty, petty betty over the weekend, then you know, over the they can buy their own furniture. A V two sixty eight, let's talk about that. Yep.

Peter Pappas: So it's strengthened Helene recovery funding, teacher workforce pipelines. That's always good. We need more teachers. And economic development programs enables teacher apprenticeship. That's a unique unique idea. So what is do we know what that means? I'm gonna ask the educator if she knows anything. It's like an internship. So you you don't learn to have a degree? And we're correct. nice. It's about time we get rid of having to have a degree to teach people stuff 'cause

Broxie Pone: So it's strengthened Helene recovery funding, teacher workforce pipelines, that's always good with any more teachers. And economic development programs enable teacher apprenticeship. That's a unique unique idea. Unique term. Do we know what that means? I'm gonna ask the educator if she doesn't. It's like an internship. So you you don't learn a degree? And we're correct. nice. It's about time to get rid of having to have a degree to teach people stuff 'cause

Peter Pappas: Anyway, yeah. That's a whole other thing. so let's see. Solar housing, red tape, blah, blah, blah. Okay. Now I think the one though, it was trading Elaine Marshall's seat for a legislature picked mayor. So that was on the what commission was that on?

Broxie Pone: anyway, yeah that's a whole different thing, yeah. so let's see. Solar housing, red tape, blah blah blah. Okay. Now I think the one though, it was trading Elaine Marshall's seat for a legislature picked mayor. So that was on the what commission was that?

Peter Pappas: Okay, it was so Elaine Marshall, who was the former Secret Secretary. Yep. So she has an automatic seat on the local government commission for a l and they dropped her for a legislature picked mayor or ex mayor from North Carolina to be on. So basically dropping one for another. No, whatever. Who cares? I mean there's some good mayors, some bad mayors.

Broxie Pone: Okay, it was so Elaine Marshall who was the former secret secretary. Yep. So she has the automatic seat on the local government commission for a l and they dropped her for a legislature picked mayor or ex mayor from North Carolina to be on. So basically dropping one for I don't know. No, whatever. I mean there's some good mayors and SBI and the highway patrol opt out of Department of administration

Peter Pappas: purchasing oversight. Mm-hmm. So but I don't I don't know. I mean, well most remarkably the s the state auditor's office we know that when they when Auditor Bullock took office, he was able to just not use the state's procurement at all because he wanted to buy computers that worked. That's right. You know, and AI that can help us dig into municipalities, which he's been digging quite a bit. Yeah, he has. Did you say anything about Rocky Mount and

Broxie Pone: purchasing oversight. So but I don't I don't know. I mean w most remarkably the s the state auditor's office we know that when they when Auditor Bullock took office, he was able to just not use the state's procurement at all because he wanted to buy state computers that worked. That's right. You know, and AI that can help us dig into municipalities which he's been digging quite a bit. Yeah he has did you see anything about Rocky Mount?

Peter Pappas: how

Broxie Pone: And how I get his I get his emails but I have not Well now that they have like identified the three council or two council people that had like fifty thousand dollar balances on the utility they didn't pay. Now Rocky Mountain Utility is actually cutting people off and now a couple of people died. It was elderly and died because of the heat. So shame on those guys. Shame on which guys? The guys that didn't pay their bills? No, shame on Bullock for identifying. No, of course. The the the guys

Peter Pappas: I get his I get his emails, but I have not well now that they have like identified the three council or two council people that had like fifty thousand dollar balances on the utility they didn't pay. Now Rocky Mountain Utility is actually cutting people off. And now a couple of people died. They were elderly and died because of the heat. So shame on those guys. Shame on which guys? The guys that didn't pay their bills? No, shame on Bullock for identifying. No, of course. The the the guys that

Broxie Pone: that

Peter Pappas: were not paying their bills and caused people to die.

Broxie Pone: were not paying their bills and caused people

Peter Pappas: die when it got identified. But also for them cutting it off. Yeah, for them cutting it off too. Absolutely. And apparently it's not a new construct. It happened like twenty years ago. Same thing happened. So well I don't know if I ran a business and somebody wasn't paying me because I just had that conversation with somebody, I told them you haven't paid rent in two months. I'll give you the opportunity by Friday to go ahead and move your stuff out or go and go otherwise I'm going to have to go down and and hurt your that's business is business. But when we're talking about the infirm elderly

Broxie Pone: to die when it got identified. But also for them cutting it off. Yeah, for them cutting it off too. Absolutely. And apparently it's not a new construct. It happened like twenty years ago. Same thing. Well, I don't know if I run a business and somebody wasn't paying me 'cause I just had that conversation with somebody, I told them you haven't paid rent in two months. I'll give you the opportunity by Friday to go ahead and move your stuff out and go otherwise I'm gonna have to go down and and work your That's business is business, but when we're talking about the infirm elderly

Peter Pappas: people on fixed income social security there are programs to help them. That's correct. And that's if you haven't done what your due diligence to get onto those, the churches will help you. There's all kinds of programs that will help you and pure communication with as opposed to just not paying your bill. There are certain people that are pitiable and certain people that need to get off their ass and go work. That's exactly okay. So let's I hate that somebody died. Don't get me wrong. Right.

Broxie Pone: people on fixed income social security there are programs that help them. That's correct. And that's if you haven't done what your due diligence to get onto those the churches will help you. There's all kinds of programs that will help you and pure communication as opposed to just not paying the bail. There are certain people that are pitiable and certain people that need to get off their ass and go work. That's exactly okay so I hate that somebody died. Don't everybody be doing the right thing.

Peter Pappas: Well, let's talk about Cooper Watley, because we have to touch on that. fifty percent isn't a milestone that we're gonna make up. it's the number where a race stops being competitive on paper, starts being a margin question. So Watley's team will tell you it's early. The numbers say it hasn't moved in three months. So all of a sud I mean because pretty much these people say, look, when when the opponent gets more than fifty percent in polling, that's when we got to worry about it. And Cooper got fifty-one point five percent.

Broxie Pone: Well, let's talk about Cooper Watley, 'cause we have to touch on that. fifty percent isn't a milestone that we're gonna make up. it's the number where Ray stops being competitive on paper, starts being a margin question. So Watley's team will tell you it's early. The numbers say it hasn't moved in three months. So all of a sud I mean because pretty much these people say, Look, when when the opponent gets more than fifty percent in polling, that's when we gotta worry about it. And Cooper got fifty one point five percent.

Peter Pappas: In a Carolina Journal poll from this from this month. Well, only nine percent Republican crossover to Cooper, but he's still at a ninety one percent Democratic and fifty five percent independent. So is Watley's problem persuasion or turnout? I don't know why you would vote for Cooper. I mean, I l I guess you people like being locked down and told to wear masks and kids out of school and girls and or boys and girls sports. I mean, more power to you. I don't I that sounds fine to me.

Broxie Pone: In a Carolina Journal poll from this from this month. Well, only nine percent Republican crossover to Cooper, but he's still a a ninety one percent Democratic and fifty five percent independent. Mm-hmm. So is Watley's problem persuasion or turnout? I don't know why you would vote for Cooper. I I l I guess you people like being locked down and told to wear masks and kids out of school and girls and or boys and girls sports. I mean more power to you. I don't know. That sounds fine to me.

Peter Pappas: okay. Well if you're okay with all of that, hey, more power to you. You go. I didn't like being locked What you mean you people? But you know I was I was just gonna, you know, you people I was gonna be a smart alec in either one of the I mean I I didn't like being locked down. I didn't take any what do they call it shots at all. Nope. Okay. Well I I did and I still got COVID, so I did it to protect my parents who were living with me, and then I ended up giving them both COVID anyway.

Broxie Pone: okay. Well if you're okay with all of that, hey, more power to you. You go. I didn't like being gonna say that smart acidly or I was gonna say what you mean you people but you know I'll I was just gonna I was just gonna I I was gonna be a smart allocate either one of them. I I didn't like being locked down. I didn't take any what do they call it shots at all. Well I I did and I still got COVID, so I did it to protect my parents who were living with me and then I ended up getting them both covered anyway.

Peter Pappas: My mom got all the shots and is having heart issues now. She just had heart stuff. So, you know, whatever. It's bad, juju. I know. All right. Well, we're coming towards the end of our live segment. We've kind of we're at 40 minutes or so with our live that was supposed to be really short. Yeah. but we've got five stories. I'll go ahead and take the first one. Nine one one merger finally gets its governance board here in Fayetteville. there will be

Broxie Pone: My mom got all the shots and just having heart issues now. She just had heart stuff. So, you know, whatever. It's bad juju. I know. All right. Well, we're coming towards the end of our live segment kind of forty minutes or so with our live. It was supposed to be really short. Yeah. but we got five stories. I'll go ahead and take the first one. Nine one merger finally gets its governance board here in Fayetteville. they will be

Peter Pappas: A nine member board overseeing the combined nine one one center that we finally, after what, nineteen years agreed to maybe have. and of course, in county fashion, we're gonna hire a consultant. to help me. to run the merger though. Not to just put something on a shelf. Okay. But to run the merger. Nice. local control advocates call it proof that the two decade fight ended on the county's term, although other people are saying that the hard work, staffing funding, et cetera, is still ahead. So

Broxie Pone: a nine member board overseeing the combined nine one one center that we finally after what nineteen years agreed to maybe have. and of course in county fashion we're gonna hire a consultant to well to run the merger though. Not to just put something on a shelf. Okay. But to run the merger. Nice. local control advocates call it proof that the two decade fight ended on the county's term, although other people are saying that the hard work, staffing funding, et cetera, is still ahead. So

Peter Pappas: Hmm. Well, in other news, Cumberland loses a three term commissioner. Commissioner Johnny Evans, remembered as a gentleman farmer, devoted to community service, died on July twenty third after three terms on the Board of Commissioners. Cumberland County Commissioner News on July twenty ninth. A reminder that local government runs on people who show up for decades, often without headlines. Also opens a vacancy.

Broxie Pone: Hmm. Well, in other news, Cumberland loses a three-term commissioner. Commissioner Johnny Evans, remembered as a gentleman farmer, devoted to community service, died on July twenty-third. After three terms on the Board of Commissioners, Cumberland County Commissioner News was July twenty-ninth. A reminder that local government runs on people who show up for decades, often without headlines. Also opens a vacancy.

Peter Pappas: Process worth tracking for who fills it. So three terms is a long time to keep showing up on a commissioner's meeting. Nobody's watching. So Raleigh passed the fewest bills in years. So I guess our legislature's being a little lazy. twenty twenty six, they produced only fifty-four bills, which is down from fifty-eight bills in twenty twenty four, and a hundred and twenty three a decade ago. Wow. I wonder if they're just combining stuff and making larger bills.

Broxie Pone: process worth tracking for who fills it. So three terms is a long time to keep showing up on a commissioner's meeting and nobody's watching. So Raleigh passed the fewest bills in years, so I guess our legislature's being a little lazy. twenty twenty six they produced only fifty four bills, which is down from fifty eight bills in twenty twenty four, and a hundred and twenty three a decade ago. Wow. I wonder if they're just combining stuff and making larger bills.

Peter Pappas: What I think is that we're so divided these days by what if you have a D or an R by your name, nobody wants to go over the line and help the other side because they're just that's what I think. And back in the day people used to look for reasons to agree. Now they look for reasons to disagree. you have an R by I don't care that you're giving away gold. Yeah, I'm gonna say no. Yeah. Okay. I yeah. Well, I mean I I definitely that has

Broxie Pone: What I think is that we're so divided these days by what if you have a D or an R by your name, nobody wants to go over the line and help the other side because they're just that's what I and back in the day people used to look for reasons to agree, now they look for reasons to disagree. you have an R by I don't care that you're giving away gold. I'm gonna say I yeah. Well, I mean I I I definitely that has

Peter Pappas: unfortunately colored a lot of the arguments up there in the legislature for no reason. And that's Obama. So and we will talk about this later, but you know, trying to invite people to come on the show. People are simply chicken because they don't want to be outside of their own echo chambers. Mm-hmm. They they wear mean. They run roughshod over their public. You know, they're elected and they represent everybody, but they only speak to one constituency. And they're really afraid of what they'll look like off off script. And they really think that a public forum

Broxie Pone: unfortunately colored a lot of the arguments up there in the legislature for no reason. And that's so and we will talk about this later, but you know, trying to invite people to come on the show. People are simply chicken. Because they don't want to be outside of their own echo chambers. Mm-hmm. They're mean. They run roughshod over their public. You know, they're elected and they represent everybody, but they only speak to one constituency and they're really afraid of what they'll look like off off script. And they really think that a public forum

Peter Pappas: You know, a two or three minute sound bite is enough for you to sufficiently know the candidate, which is BS. Yeah. So what you got? I says Stein still hasn't moved on the Kratom, Kratum, Kratom, Kratom, Kratom, whatever bill that is. We gotta get some of that stuff and try it. No, thank you. Are you sure? Yeah, I'm positive. But thanks for I don't care who wants it. I don't I don't even take aspirin, so why would I want this? But the Bill Stein calls gas station heroin fights fight two weeks ago remains undecided.

Broxie Pone: you know, a two or three minute sound bite is enough for you to sufficiently know the candidate, which is BS. Yeah. So what you got? I says Stein still hasn't moved on the Kratum. Kratom Kratum Kratum Kratum, whatever Bill that is. We're gonna get some of that stuff and try it. No thank you. Are you sure? Yeah I'm positive. But thanks for I don't care who wants it. I don't I don't even take aspirin, so why would I want this? But the Bill Stein calls gas station heroin fights. A fight two weeks ago remains undecided.

Peter Pappas: The season rap lists hemp regulation as most likely deferred until after November's election. So it's a four billion dollar legal industry wants clarity, not delay. Kids safety advocates say slow, cautious governor beats a rushed industry friendly bill. So we'll see what happens. Okay. Well, hopefully not selling illegal stuff to kids. I mean, if this stuff makes them hallucinate, why the hell are we having a

Broxie Pone: The season wrap lists hemp regulation as most likely deferred until after November the election. So it's a four billion dollar legal industry wants clarity, not delay. Kids safety advocates say slow, cautious governor beats it. Hopefully not selling the legal stuff that kids. I mean this stuff might some hallucinate. Why the hell are we having a debate? And we wonder why we wonder why we

Peter Pappas: debate. And we wonder why people we wonder why we keep people are losing their minds doing all kinds of crazy this stuff. Well you might think the Humberland County Commission has lost its mind, but I think that the school system won't agree with you. they approved five hundred and fifty seven million dollars to build some new schools. Which would be the first new school since is it Jack Bridge or Jack Fear was the last one? Jack Jack Britt. Jack Britt so that was what in two thousand? Exactly. Okay. So

Broxie Pone: People are losing their minds doing all kinds of craziness stuff. Well, you might think Hummerlin County Commission has lost its mind, but I think that the school system won't agree with you. they approved five hundred and fifty seven million dollars to build some new schools. Which would be the first new school since is it Jack Britt or Jack Fear was the last one? Jack Jack Britt. Jack Britt. So that was what in two thousand? Exactly. Okay. So that's going to encompass building a new

Peter Pappas: That's going to encompass building a new EE Smith, which will be on the same campus. JW Kuhn Elementary, which is on Hope Mills Road, down from the fire station. And Cumberland Hall, which is at Fayetteville Technical. So that's Fay FTC campus. Yes. Cumberland Hall. Okay. So that's that's three schools at 550 million though. Sounds like a lot, doesn't it? That's a that's a that's a lot of guacamole. It's not enough. Okay. Okay. All right. Well,

Broxie Pone: Smith, which will be on the same campus. JW Kuhn Elementary, which is on Hope Mills Road, down from the fire station. And Cumberland Hall, which is a Fayetteville technical so that's on Fay FTC campus Cumberland Hall. Okay, so that's that's three schools. Sounds like a lot. It's not enough. Okay. All right. Well,

Peter Pappas: What else we got here?

Broxie Pone: what else we got here?

Peter Pappas: Well, I guess you'll hear two Board of Election at large candidates talk tonight about exactly what kind what this kind of money. exactly about this kind of money that can be No Board of Education. Board of E did I say I said election. Yeah, I know. I whenever I see B O E B O E B O N, you know, whatever. So we will have two guests this evening. We have Ms. Broxie Pone, who's already here with us, and we will have Mr. Tom Hatch.

Broxie Pone: Well, I guess you'll hear two Board of Election at large candidates to talk tonight about exactly what kind what this kind of money exactly about this kind of money that you've Board of Education. Board of E coming out. Yeah, I know. I whenever I see B O E B O E B O N, you know. So we will have two guests this evening. We have Ms. Broxie Punch who's already here with us and we will have Mr. Tom.

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