Partisan Divide: Examining County Politics, Board Actions, and Community Voices

Peter Pappas: you room. Well everyone, good evening and welcome ⁓ to the Carolina Cabinet. I'm your host Peter Pappas in studio with the lovely Laura Musler. Hello, hello. Thank you for being here with me always. So we are proud to be the only homegrown conservative talk radio show in the region and we know this is the smartest hour of radio. Our job is to give a voice to the conservatives of Fayetteville, Cumberland County and beyond. And with that, what you've been up to the last few days? Hmm, what did I do? ⁓ I spent yesterday. doing absolutely nothing excellent good for you it was a nice day i i didn't even get out of bed now i did go out of bed to go to the bathroom sent him myself but you are ill or anything you just i don't know i just said i i i i don't i'm checking out of life today okay that's fair enough uh... i think i was equally unproductive now yesterday i was very i was gonna say you had meetings i had meetings and stuffs and doings and business so that And you went out of town? For those of you who are entrepreneurs, I think you understand there is no rest. there's never a point in your business where you're like, yeah, I'm good. I don't have to really worry anymore. You're always going to constantly do that. That's true. Although I've never seen you so happy as when the FedEx guy arrives. I hear him backing out right now. But you were like a kid on Christmas morning. don't know what you're talking about. So what do we have coming up? We have the short session in Raleigh beginning finally tomorrow ⁓ Tuesday the 21st April today is 420 day. So I didn't really know what that what the significance of that was to get high or something Yeah, well, I walked in I saw a tenant today and she was like happy 420 and I'm like, I don't know what the hell Yeah that I I didn't have to it up. It just took a second to call me fourth. That's all May the fourth be with you. Okay. Yeah, okay Well today's 420 to those of you who celebrate ⁓ Baldino's has got steak and cheese, French fries on your rings, fresh, freshly baked cookies for to satisfy any of your cravings, I would say. So ⁓ just because it's short session doesn't mean small consequences. Our lawmakers are going back to Raleigh. ⁓ It's part of the legislative cycle where the agenda gets tighter. The window gets shorter. The issues that remain are usually the ones with real political weight. I think there is nothing more politically weighty than the budget. We need to get that underway, don't we? I mean, look, you've got the short session. I don't know how long it goes. It only goes till May, June, something like that. And then these guys are to be running for election over the summer. And then in November, we have a general election. So, I mean, we really need to focus on getting a budget passed. need, there's been a lot of discussion about Hurricane Helene aid. Why would, what about what's going on that? Well, if they don't pass a budget, we can't continue to fund it. So, ⁓ I heard governor Stein on another show, ⁓ he now, I don't know if I really agree with this. says North Carolina is not a poor state, but we're funding our teachers and troopers and stuff like that. As if we are a poor state. What do you think about that? The way he put that. Basically, may sound like you're Glenda Gottrock over here. Okay. Well, we do. I know we do have a surplus of money, so we need to make sure that we're paying our people. Don't we? Because we do have a surplus. We didn't have a surplus when the Democrats had the office, but now that the Republicans are in the majority, we do. Okay. Okay. Well, makes sense. I hate the implication that it's like we have this big bucket of money that we're just holding out. on helping the citizens. was the only implication I took from it was like, so, and then governor Stein's a Democrat, so he's on that side of the aisle. Does that mean the other side of the aisle doesn't, doesn't prioritize? Absolutely not. ⁓ we're just a little more fiscally responsible and it's, know, we want to know where the money is going. I do. I want to know where the money's going. I don't like the idea that we don't know, you know, these. These non-governmental agencies right come in between the government and the funds where they need to go We need to give them where they need to go with oversight with oversight. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I Think one of the things I heard him discuss was the income tax that we have one of the lowest income taxes on the in the southeast and He mentioned and this was a well state income tax. ⁓ okay. That's percent years ago. How much income tax does the ⁓ Florida pay? zero. So we're not, one of the lowest. Yeah. One of the lowest. Now what's the merit. So our state income tax for corporations is 2%. What's the merit of going to zero for these guys is 2%. It's a rounding error. You're talking about giving billions of dollars to these companies that oftentimes the ones that are big enough to pay that kind of stuff, they're fortune 500s. There, it's not going to come back to North Carolina unless we tax them. Right. If we give them a discount on the taxes, I don't think anybody is not going to relocate here because of a 2 % tax. I don't think so. Instead of, you can raise it to 3 % and then get rid of our personal ones because I can spend my money, but much better than any other person. Well, North Carolina has so much going for it. mean, you know, from Murphy to Mantio, you know, we're in the top seven states to relocate. think we're like number four or five. How many times have you heard me say nobody retires up North? Everybody comes here, but then they bring their BS socialist programs with them and we're like, no, go home. Right. Go do that back there. since it was so great, but everyone's welcome here and you know, we have some great stuff going on. not everybody. If you bring your Sharia law with you, go Well, you know, there's that or, know, if you're a 20 time convicted or unconvicted criminal mental felon, right? Kills girls on subways. Yeah. You can stay home. Stay where you are. I've been watching Tommy Robinson. I'm like, I'm all that Irish guy. Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. Oh my gosh. wonder if it is there a clip or something like it i don't have a clip that i mean i just in my spare time when on my phone when i've got nothing else going on i watch this he has so much knowledge what's his what's his ⁓ case marlin and he grew up in the streets and ⁓ he actually has been arrested many many times that because the government has put him in jail for exposing ⁓ the extreme Abuse murder and rape of women in his country when his streets where he it was because of surgery law, right? ⁓ Night, okay. So the people that moved there that practiced the Sharia law ⁓ Those adult men are committing it was like in his in his area was only five percent of the men to start with they were kids they were Conducting or doing whatever over 96 percent of the rapes and murders those men Wow that were happening how big of a population were they five or six percent of the population and they were Conceived over I mean like hello. There's a problem So they actually made it a law if you can believe this that you couldn't report on these criminal ⁓ Trials as they were going to see I'm put it up on the monitor so we can so they know like Who were talking about if I can get this thing to not so they made it a crime? For reporters to report as these people were going after yes there is that his name Tommy Robinson if you type that in you'll catch all of his videos from Ireland Yep, okay. Yeah, they made it a law where you couldn't report as these crimes finally they started arresting people and they only Arrested like a small portion of them and these cases would last for six weeks And they would be talking about these horrific things that these guys did to these girls So they made a law where you couldn't discuss it until the day of sentencing. So these people can offend, but you don't want to offend the offender. Right. So we don't want any attention brought. Imagine the OJ trial with a press gag order. Right. That it went all the way to the sentencing before we found out that he killed his wife. Well, he. was found in a he killed his wife. I'm not playing that game. was in high school when that stuff happened. Everybody knew the glove doesn't fit. must acquit some of the best and off quartered lines probably. Yeah, There's rumors that like he didn't take his arthritis medicine. So his hands swelled up before. There was all kinds and I have I ride a motorcycle. So when my gloves get wet, It takes me like I have to work to put them back on and they're like, you know, for me, but anyway, that's beside the point. But I just, I'm love with this guy. He's fricking phenomenal. Okay. Well, you know, I like the idea. think we should talk to Patty about that. ⁓ That would be excellent. need to have him back on for sure. would love to have Tony Robinson in here. I'm not trying to get rich quick at the airport. ⁓ so we had some action with our local board of election. ⁓ We did. ⁓ Lord. So we had a local, or I don't know how local he is. He was in City View. They named this guy, Bob, somebody else as a political watchdog. Bob Hall. Bob Hall. Okay. So apparently Mr. Hall, put together some complaints on both our chairwoman, Linda DeVore of the Cumberland County Board of Elections and Brenda Eldridge who's just one of the members so you Linda's the head and breeze just one of the other four members Made some complaints to the State Board of Election now the State Board of Election had a hearing on the 16th, which is last Thursday. and I believe without even kind of Without publicly hearing the information they dismissed it and I've been thinking about that for a minute that looks bad But maybe they already had Read the stuff. they really? Because, okay, so if you actually watched it. Mm-hmm. Okay. I didn't actually watch it. Well, watch their conversation. They sit there and say, well, I don't even think she was on the board of elections at that time. ⁓ yeah, she was. I mean, I'm not saying- But doesn't that lend you to think maybe they've read the complaint beforehand? That lends me to believe that they didn't even look at it. Because if you don't even know that she was serving in the board of elections, you didn't even read through the complaint. was filed, shouldn't they have investigated and then made that announcement? So how do we know an investigation didn't happen? Because if an investigation happened, then wouldn't they have said, well, they wouldn't have said, oh, I don't even think she was serving. No, I don't think she was serving. Because they would have investigated it so they would have known that she was serving. OK, all right. I mean, it did look like, ⁓ and I call, call, I'm not for or against. I'm, I'm happy that it's this. don't like things going on, whatever. Yay. Whatever. But that just kind of made me step back and say, you know, I have an expectation that the system works. know things break and things break down and things slip through, but I have a fundamental trust in the institutions we have of electing people and having people that elect to appoint people. You know, like Dave Bullock is a state auditor. He appointed the head of the board of elect or the state board of elections. Okay. Cause that's, she's a smart woman. She's like, so smart. It's actually such a guy. Oh, no, I was talking about, the head of the board of the of the board of elections. then he does. Yeah. And then the auditor now does have the purview. smart can you be that he didn't know she was on the board of elections during that time? How much, how much, how much did they look into it? I'm just curious. So this is, this is where I was going to lead to. ⁓ what role does partisanship have when it's in the wrong damn room? What I'm always concerned with and it's always like, remember the lawfare against president Trump and now the Democrats are crying foul because, it's, they're coming after us with the, well, weaponize these things. Then both sides do it. So like we have a super majority in the state house right now. No, we don't. We do until the election, think. No, we lost it by one. Okay. Well, we did whatever. Yes. When we had the super majority, the thing that concerned me was just running rough shot over the other side. Needs, wants, whatever's because they're just going to turn around and do it twice as hard to you. That's true. Why don't we, again, why don't we take our jerseys off when it goes into rooms that are supposed to benefit everybody, right? Like a board of elections. I it was not partisan. that it was partisan that they didn't investigate it it's not partisan that they I'm saying that being the party of rules and conservatism that more things should be as open as we can make them. 100%. And there should have been maybe some discussion. 100%. If anything else, just lie to me. Let me think that y'all are going to be partisan at least. I never Because you don't even get the chance to hear it. I never even thought to ask any of the five people that wrote, ⁓ maybe they reached out to them and talked to them. I wonder if they did. I don't know. I don't know. don't know. Do we have chat on? we don't. Yeah, we do. We're by ourselves. We're by ourselves tonight. But I'm just wondering, did maybe the board of elections did reach out and talk to them? I'm not sure. I would think we would have heard about that. The people that brought the complaint are not little demure little ladies. mean, they are serious people. there was a little demure ladies there. At least one demure. I don't know. I'm going to Google here. me see if that Linda McAllister. Okay. I could see that I could fit her in that mold. Yeah, for sure. All right. Well, the key takeaway is that our head of the Cumberland County board of elections is has been essentially dismissed. It's been dismissed. I don't say it's vindicated. I just, I don't feel that there was And her quote, so Ms. DeVore did make a quote to City View Magazine as soon as the decision was taken down. And some people have talked to me about the speed of which she had that statement prepared, that it looked orchestrated. But I'm thinking best case, like on election night, got a speech in one hand for if I win and another one if I lose. That's what I, and she's smart and she's an attorney. So she would be like, okay, that's an efficient way to work. I think she's very, very smart. make the statement of all the time it's actually a very what happened where she's going home and attorney it doesn't matter right here uh... i'm always for a better show i think they would have done better to not have that conversation because i was fine with whatever they decided until they said i don't even think she was on the board of elections during and then that leads into doubt like did they do their job i would say no yeah i i i have a hard work you know This is and I'm a Republican so I like rules. I like laws. like order I we cannot call out the other side for doing this If we're doing it ourselves if we're being dishonest and hiding things and sweeping things under the rug We cannot I don't think any of this rises to hiding and all I just think there may not have been any merit I'm not saying that there was anything wrong. Imagine how many complaints the state a state-level agency gets right? I think I think auditor Bolick mentioned something about that when we went from the chamber we did a legislative day on Jones Street we went to see him and I think he mentioned how many complaints they receive I'm sure they get a lot. avalanche. yeah I'm not saying anything they should keep their remarks though because it left me with a bad feeling. It gives you a sense of well maybe they didn't research it ⁓ but my thinking when this complaint rose out to the public and it was I don't think it should have been released to the public because I think a lot of people have some misinformation or misguided views on it. I felt like. It shouldn't be tried in the court of public opinion. And I, I mentioned to somebody, well, if you think the result is going to be our chair, chairwoman of the board of elections being dismissed, you're smoking something you probably shouldn't be. These complaints, I believe that this is not the first time Mrs. DeVore has had to deal with scrutiny from outside. ⁓ and I'm not saying that like this is a pattern. I'm just saying she, she's in a position that is visible and she's gonna. If she's doing her job, she's probably going to upset somebody. So, you know, if it was a Democrat led state board of election, they didn't... have been a different outcome. No, hold on. Because that was a state board of election that was dominated by Democrats and they didn't dismiss her then. So the notion that, ⁓ I'm going to go in front of a Republican conservative state board of election and get her dismissed. If you couldn't get it with the other side in charge, you're not going to get it with. But again, what's the role of our board of elections? Nonpartisan, make sure that our elections are in it, but free, fair, open and honest, right? Integrity, integrity. We are the party of voter integrity. Absolutely. You can't count more votes than you have people. Well, unless maybe, well, now the state board of elections says, ⁓ now they are taking action on us citizens only voting, which to me is the height of like, we really have to do this. Kinda weird, it? Why the c- When did that become a bone of contention? don't like oh well you're you're not a citizen, but here's your ballot. I mean I don't I guess if you're if you get a driver's license, which they say some of the Illegal aliens, I'm gonna call them what they are illegal aliens Get licenses then that's when you didn't they register them. Oh yes, so well doesn't real ID solve that problem because you're required to get Passport or a birth certificate or something what happens if you just get a state ID for those people that don't get a real ID because there are some people that don't get real IDs Okay, but wouldn't the real ID stop that it would if it was required, but it's not required Well, I think it is well now it might be yeah It wasn't for a very long time that you can keep you don't have to go get a new real ID until your old ID expires Which you've got like eight or ten years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean they're they're phasing them out, but How long will it take how many elections will be affected before then that's true? I mean, I and they say that some of the ⁓ illegal aliens get social security numbers and information about other people and they pretend to be other people. So I don't know. Look, there's a lot of noise around that. ⁓ Let's let's look at what I came up with about the U.S. citizens only. So they made a ⁓ in the same meeting last week at Board of Elections. There was another outcome about. you know, vetting all these voter rolls. There's a lot of problems with our state board of elections as far as the age of the software we're using that goes through these rolls and then the age of the software that communicates election results from the counties to the state. They're trying to patch that right now. And the efforts of patching. Well, it's written on a language that's probably dead. Right. was going, I don't like patches. Let's just get new software. New software is like a $50 million. bargain or something. think they asked for three or four million, something like that on the order, on the order of fewer than 10 million to just keep it going for two years. They have bids out to get the software, get new systems and auditor Bullock. Remember he actually doesn't even use the state information technology. Right. He uses his own. Right. He's on, I mean, he's using like Microsoft AI or something. Remember? Yep. I remember he's very proactive and the state board of elections being under his. purview now I think he's gonna but see I would rather okay that's kind of like putting a patch on something and spending millions of dollars that's not your own, it's our taxpayer money, to do a patch for the time being where you can take that, that's 10 % of what it could be to actually fix the problem unless not patch it. It's the difference between me buying a Walmart t-shirt, washing it once and not being able to wear it, and buying a INC or a Casual Corner t-shirt for $75 and still being able to wear it 25 years later. I see a few people watching this. So, know, give us a shout, say hello, if you're in the, in the room. Hello. If you have questions for Laura or I, know a little bit to be dangerous. So, ⁓ know, know a couple of three things. but yeah, I don't, I would have to learn more about what they're doing, but imagine if we're asking for this patch, it probably is a neglected system, ⁓ that nobody would prioritize the budgeting. And I think you have, ⁓ a director. of the state board that's lobbying. He's going through the halls of legislature. This is one of the most important, again to me, as a Republican or as just a United States citizen, screw the Republican, Democrat, I don't really care. One of the best and greatest things about our country is the fact that we get to ⁓ vote. And it's very upsetting when I find Americans that don't vote. It's very upsetting the low percentage of people that do vote. So this is so important for the people that do vote. that that should be state of the art. The only thing that bothers me is the maintenance of the voter roll to make sure that it's U.S. citizens only voting. That to me is the one main role of upgrading the software is let's get that straight. Right. But as far as our elections, I think if we just remain with the paper ballots and the always tried and true tabulators, even though they're slow and even though we might report them a little late, but we're going to have our election and we will have the receipts. what happened that day. always, always paper bills. And I think I believe I did hear the director say like papers here to stay. Good. Yeah, so that's a good thing. Hi Bambi. ⁓ Hey. I hope you're doing well. Yes, and actually we have we do have some things of brewing and hope mills we're gonna have to dig into. I've been it's been a busy weekend. You know my whole trip down and up was ⁓ on the phone. Maturity with people so I love me some Jesse Bell flowers. Yes. We do we do we well we have a It's hard to describe right now I want to put it in the right context, okay Yeah, we're definitely we're gonna definitely have to start talking to some folks. Okay sure ⁓ Is it clear that I don't want partisanship in certain rooms Did I make that clear enough I think our partisanship is too much in every single room instead of just basing it on what's right and what's wrong Too many people are looking at well, that's a Republican thing or a Democrat thing. No, it's an American thing We're all Americans first and we have some things some people care about more stuff than others and that's all fine and good But I think too many people just look at ⁓ well, that's this. Yeah. Yeah, I I think ⁓ one thing in common I think you'd find with a lot of ⁓ politicians right now is If you ask them how to change the world for the better they would say to reduce the partisanship to reduce the to reduce the Level of people arguing so viscerally towards each other. Mm-hmm. Just be in the room. Look, I don't agree with that So, okay, let's move on. It's okay to not agree. Yeah, it's all right. Okay, it doesn't make you stupid I mean obviously if you don't agree with me that I mean there's something wrong, but you know, I mean, you know, I thought it'd be so kind of I'm not saying Laura's Patel I'm saying somebody else if they don't listen to me, you know, I mean, that's fine. I mean dummy. What's hive? What's the hive? ⁓ No, I haven't been to the hive yet. That is ⁓ That is a food truck. ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like the the trucks downtown the truck stop downtown It is in Hope Mills. So Hope Mills is coming up man. There's a lot of good stuff going on out there We are I mean if Bambi wants to talk about it we should send her a link let her join the show So what else we had There's something else that we haven't mentioned ⁓ so all this hubbub at the board of elections is starting to boil over into... into disciplining and terminating county employees. ⁓ And I'm a little bit concerned with the precedent there. I don't, so if I criticize government, which I do often, I may or may not have an opinion on a lot of stuff. No, you do. One thing that I've always tried to explain to people is my gripe is not with the city county employees, the people that make our cities and counties work. Maybe the city manager, maybe the county manager, because those guys are at the head of that. But I have met and worked along with a lot of people in our city, the Fayetteville city government, to come to good resolution and, you know, make agreements and make it better for everybody. So I have a good opinion about a lot of the people I've ever interfaced with, with the county. You're always going to run into some surly clerk that just had a bad day and is taking your property. I mean, that's going to happen. What I'm afraid of. as citizen commissions and boards, if I'm appointed to something, like I'm on the Civic Center Commission. An elected official recommended I be on that be appointed to that board. I'm on there at the pleasure of the elected official. Do I have the right to start trying to fire people at the crown? I don't like if I don't like that and if he ever sees this south that I don't this I don't dislike you but if I wanted to like fire south the GM at the crime thinking is not be okay I think you if you saw some gross inefficiencies then you could come up with some information and say here's what I see and you guys do what you want but this is what I see as a gross inefficiency and how and how it's hindering it would have to be real solid but he doesn't work for the count well okay in this case He does work for you because you're a taxpayer and the taxpayer's made for the crown. Don't be that guy. They pay taxes, you pay your salary. No, eventually we do. not saying that. I'm just saying if you as a business person are on the board to oversee the crown and you see some gross inefficiencies, hey, that doesn't look right. There's some issues and you discuss it among the board and you're like, okay, well, you know, whatever. Then you can bring those. But it should be brought for resolution before you move to dismissal. Yes. That's what I don't think is happening with our board of elections and our head of the ⁓ Cumberland County Board of Elections, the head employee, the director, Angie Amaro has come under some scrutiny. For what? I don't know yet. I don't have the details. just know that there's petition to the state board of elections that Ms. Amaro has to defend herself in the next week or two. But we don't know what for we don't know what for I mean, I don't have the specifics What I can say is what I the things that I know what I've seen, okay, okay You mentioned the just cuz you know, she's always nice when I just because you're always per you're personally know him It doesn't mean you're right. I don't know if she burned a box about I don't Okay, I don't think she did but I don't think she did anything that Pronounce that egregious. Perhaps maybe the people that are doing this have asked her to do something specific and she's not fulfilling her obligation to them. I don't know. In their opinion, it's kind of like, remember when anybody goes to court and you know, no justice, no peace. They make that, you know, that chant. Just because you don't like the outcome doesn't mean the process wasn't followed. Were you given due process? Were you, you know, judged by a jury of your peers? So I don't know what they're complaining about. don't know what the problem is. Hopefully we're going to be, we're going to, we're going to get looped in on that. But I just want to say that I think as an appointed person on a board, I don't feel like I have the right to directly get somebody terminated. Like on the civic center commission, I'd have to talk to the man's company and the board of, I'd have, we'd have to make a recommendation to the board of commissioners to then talk to the county manager to. follow you got to follow the chain of command right in this stuff and to me I feel like we bypassed the county chain of command ⁓ did we I don't see I mean I don't know the petition was written straight to the director of the state board of election I have an issue with that so I it's the same issue that I have with the people that made the complaint they went to the local they went to the local they went to the state they went to the state they went to the state mm-hmm now it's time to go to the public So if you go to the public, if you go to the county, if you go to the county, if you go to the county. What are you looking for? Where do I plug this in? There's like a thousand plugs around here. I can't see one with the tips. Probably underneath. All right, be patient. I'll help you out. look, I have worked for the board of elections as a precinct official and then later as a precinct judge. I even knew it well enough. They actually sent me to teach other people at a different one or two times. Yeah, eventually. ⁓ It's right under here. You'd have to get under there. It's hard to see. ⁓ So I've worked with the board of elections. We have an election coming in November. Early voting begins sometime in October. So from April to October is how many months? Six? Is now the time to terminate the head of the board of elections? Probably not. I believe a lot of bench strength would be lost if we, if there's no way to communicate and dialogue the, the alleged misdeeds and we go straight to termination, how are we going to staff that department later on? I don't know, especially with somebody who's going want to work there. Right. And furthermore, I mean, I know a lot of them down there. I don't know a lot of them. I'm just observing a lot. They don't look to be very far from retirement age. So what's the top half of the department from just departing? And then where are we going to be with elections? Because you can't do it by yourself. So having been a precinct official and a precinct judge, I've always complimented Cumberland County Board of Elections on how organized. There's been some times, but when you're working for them, everything is down to the color code, page number, do this on an hourly basis. And if you don't, they're calling you. Right. That takes a lot of coordination. So that's where I feel like partisanship is in the wrong room sometimes. And I hope it's not a partisan issue. hope whatever it is can be worked out. And I wish a lot of luck to Mrs. Amaro and to all the people that they're going to have to come to the carpet to answer. So I hope they're able to do so in a reasonably easy manner. So, okay, off my soapbox now. Okay, so ⁓ what else we got going on? I mean this week. ⁓ you just told me about something happened on Facebook. Yes, okay, so and I've already Actually, there's two things that happen on Facebook there was a yesterday there was a This is so stupid Bahama breeze. was a, somebody went to, they are still. So there was a disturbance because somebody's car was getting repoed. And then of course they called the cops, made a big scene. that made, that made watch out Cumberland County. thought that was pretty amusing. It's like, look, and there's, there's one guy going around fable. He's a repo man. He's been filming his repossessions and putting it on tick tock. He's quick. He's really quick. Yeah, he just swoops in and gets it and it's funny It's all the ones that park in front of like Food Lion or Family Dollar or whatever when they park right in front of the It's always them that he's getting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what he does But he's not getting it because they're in the fire lane. He's getting it because they haven't paid their their car note Really? So yeah. Yeah, so ⁓ Yeah, right before we came on there was a post from Community Awareness Alliance ⁓ there was an exchange there was a quote from both chairman kirk debbie of the common county board of commissioners basically expressing his disappointment at ⁓ candidate janine accol's who's running for state house seat against ⁓ diane wheatley on the east side of fayetteville or common county ⁓ apparently missus ⁓ chairman debbie alleges that ms accol's basically called him dishonest ⁓ I don't know about what. Do we have a recording? Can we see it? Yeah, I'd like to. mean, he said, and the thing is, he says, I find it disingenuous that you attacked a fellow Democrat and questioned my integrity. The thing about it is Kirk is a seasoned politician. And I don't say that in a bad way, but he's got a pretty thick skin. Right. I can only imagine the amount of stuff he has coming at him. For him to actually take the time to make a statement about that, I think, That lends some credibility to what was said to me, but I would like to see the video if there is one. Yeah, I want to see the video So if anybody's got some video send it in let's play it. Mm-hmm So yeah, that happens. There's always stuff I always but he He used the line. I love me cuz some Kirk, please please I'm not criticizing Kirk at all at all, but I hate that line You're criticizing a fellow Democrat. Mm-hmm We should be criticizing fellow Republicans, fellow Democrats. If you mess up, don't believe he did. don't know. Accountable is different than criticizing him. Right. Criticizing is like you're, you're ugly and your, your, your mama's so ugly. You know, this kind of stuff. How ugly is she? don't know. They had to put a, put a rib by round her neck for the dog to play with her. don't know. my mom is beautiful. But anyway, no, I would like to see exactly what was said. Because yeah, but I don't like that statement for you to it makes it as if you're not allowed to speak out against somebody else in the room He could have said I don't appreciate that I'd like to know specifically in what way you're talking about it or whatever, but I don't like that I'm a Republican you can't talk against me. I'm a no. Yeah, I can I think called freedom in this well But again again in the right in the right room in the right place in the right time I don't know what is that CPAC, CDC, CD. It's Cumberland Community Awareness Alliance and it was CCDP. So would say Cumberland County Democratic Party. Oh, I know exactly what that's from. There was a, there was a candidate forum on Sunday that these folks held. it is on video. We can find it. Okay. I shall do so. I would like to see exactly what was said. And I will tell you, I watched that for maybe five minutes or so. Mr. McDuffie was on there as the sheriff, sheriff candidate. Ms. Ackles was there. ⁓ I think Glenn Adams was walking in as I tuned in. Charles Evans was there and so was vice chair Veronica Jones was there. ⁓ we going to have any of those And Sheila Cuffee was there. Sheila Cuffee and Glenn Adams have essentially won their elections because they don't have any. There's no opposition in the fall and there's two seats. There's two, they're right there. And I don't know if this was naivete. on the part of some of these guys when they're answering, but they are the way they speak about finances and budgets is as if nobody else before them has cared about anybody in this county. It's like, well, we need to prioritize. What do you think? What do you think you're supposed to do as an elected official that they're all balancing game? You're trying to, you're not trying to prioritize your district, right? Especially in the county, right? There's two districts and then there's the two at large, you know, seats. you're all for one one for all right you know and then some of the candidates in the in the city council either i think it should be we should have more different the other thing is the candidates were discussing things that are already in progress one was discussing we need clean water didn't we have chairman debbie on here a couple weeks ago what are we doing about the water we already have set up districts we're already trying to find money for this district in that district so it's already underway i think that they just talk to hear themselves talk that they don't exactly know exactly what's going on they could say I can see to me it would be like okay so the county has this this and this in place and I think that's a great way here's how I would here's what I would do differently instead of just criticizing other people that's one of the things that I was watching actually about ⁓ national elections somebody saying this is a bad thing this is a bad thing and then when somebody takes care of it they're like well you're bad for taking care of it as opposed to okay so now you're taking care of it here's what I would have done differently and this is why Okay. But that would be more productive. The five or 10 minutes I watched, I'm telling you that the guys running the ladies and people that are running right now are using information from two years ago. Okay. They need to update their books. They need to get with the number one thing when you're running for office, I think is start where we're at, learn all you can, and then try to learn some backstory. I'm about to die. Are you? What I want to see out of any candidate form is I want to see real solutions. And all I heard of that CCDP meeting was just a bunch of fluff. even the fact that, hey, this is a problem. And I see that the county commissioners are handling it. If it comes up, I like the way they're handling it. I'm going to continue on that path. It's OK to admit, even if you're running against somebody, that somebody is handling something OK. Right. And that you agree with it. And you would continue. Continuum of care completely with you. Yeah So you mentioned I think it's about time we get up and get out of here. Let's see if we can get this right So We will be having hopefully this week we will have vice chairwoman Veronica Jones on Wednesday. I've been talking to her so if I can nail down her schedule then she should be here Wednesday. She likes next Monday. I'm likeable a little bit every once in a Monday we'll have Lulu Windham who's running for sheriff as a Republican. I will be speaking to I did speak to Charles Evans over the weekend. So we're going to bring Charles on the show and ⁓ let's see Miss Cuffee I'm still going to. Ask her to come back on. Yeah, she's already got the job. So yeah, she's already in so she's already in but they should still come in and So who else I see so mr. McDuffie, we're gonna have him back on for sure. So Lenny coming back. Yeah, Lenny from the what was that that? ⁓ Ranked-choice voting. Yes guys. Yeah, it was pretty cool. I even though you didn't like it. 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