LaRue Windham for Sheriff: Morale, Proactive Policing, and School Safety

Peter Pappas: And welcome to the Carolina cabinet. I'm your host Peter Pappas in studio with the lovely Laura Masler. Hello. Good evening. Good evening. And the not so lovely but as lovely as you say, Mr. William Ham running for sheriff Cumberland County. Welcome, sir. Thank you, Peter. Thank you for having me. So here at the cabinet, we are, no, this is the smartest hour of radio. That's And we are here to be a voice for the conservatives of Fayetteville, Cumberland County and beyond. And if you're listening to us, might be seeing us on Facebook right now. If you're watching, please say hello or give us a comment in the chat if you're logging in. And if you ever want to see one of our older shows or some previous good work I've done, or Laura's done as well, go to thecarolinacabinet.com and you can see all of our shows and links still under construction, but most of it's all there. welcome. What's new? What you been up to, Laura? policy for the week and i was the for you for the trouble uh... i was irritated beyond control on saturday okay says was the ninth district okay convention okay and uh... i had told somebody hey i'll see you at the convention and uh... i'd ended up that i had a uh... personal thing that i had to take care of somebody got stranded at the airport and i had to take care of the so it you know whatever but rather than that person call me and say hey you're supposed to be are you okay that person did with the republicans in cumberland county do they called somebody else to find out why i wasn't there and then they told other people that i wasn't there and never once said hey did you get an accident are you okay but a couple people like hey you were in a similar fable airport uh... it was the well i had to go pick them up from far away and bring them to the airport i had no right so so but my point is that here in cumberland county it seems like the republicans are looking for reasons to talk behind people's back and gossip i'd i don't know when the republicans are going to get out of the home room and start having conversations with people instead of about people if i have an issue with somebody what do i do what i mean look i have graduated from middle on hopefully in high school now and in those regards here you're about a junior junior yeah ⁓ But if I have an issue with you, then I was told that I exploit people's vulnerabilities. Never have I ever done that, but I appreciate the fact that I've seen that way. Good. I don't want you to be my friend anyway. Okay. This is going to fun. Oh yeah. I'll strap in, Lou. This is how it goes. So let's see. My last week, I hired a new catering person for the restaurant. She's so sweet. She's so sweet. She's very bright. She helped me. So her first day, uh, we catered to the council for older adults last Thursday. It's our third year in a row doing it for Baldino's and it was 135 lunches. And that was her first day. How'd she do? So I did try to embarrass her as much as I could. Oh, would that be any other way? Look, if you're going to work for me, we're going to galvanize you with understanding. Uh, but what I did is when, so the council, had their speakers and all. And the last speaker I ran up to the program was like, can't grab the microphone. She says, yeah. And I said, everybody, if I can have your attention, I want to point out that back in the room, that's Erin, and this is her first day. So if you can give her a round of applause and I'll be darned if she was in the back talking to councilman Honduras and he's like, Hey, your name just got called and she totally missed it. but I did try, I did try, but it was, it's very nice to have her. She's going to be coming to a business near you to ask you if you'd like baldinos. Build a sub bars. Yes, so you're gonna be doing some catering. We are gonna be doing some catering Okay, so if you're out there listening and you are interested in having some catering, please contact what's her name Aaron? I am and how do we get a hold of Aaron you're killing me smalls right now her phone number I gave her Look the main office is 4 a 3 1 0 5 3 and you'll find Aaron's number on that very good But we'll have her I'm gonna have her on next Wednesday. ⁓ this coming Wednesday or maybe Monday We'll have her stop in say hello. If you're gonna discuss it on the radio. You've got to be prepared Hello, ⁓ I did a lot of other stuff. Okay. What else did you I heard you had a meeting this weekend? I had meetings and ⁓ Just all kinds of stuff really I some things I can't talk about but I did real estate see that was real bummer ⁓ know I yeah from like 8 a.m. Until noon and you have to be on camera now You can do it virtually but you have to be where they can see you. So you were you testing? and now you just have to be subjected to it for four hours okay hold up just a second as handy as you are with a i and things like that i would think that you would have a way that you could have recorded yourself the juice just isn't worth the squeeze and if they find out i was all four hours and then i'll make the thing course believe me i thought about it ⁓ let's see so i did that i met with somebody on saturday that may be an upcoming producer social media person for us so i'm not coming up and ⁓ I got stood up at a property, showing a property, somebody just didn't show up. made the deal. love that. Yeah. Yeah. It's all fun and games. Yeah. Okay. They don't show They don't show. But anyway, we did the show. did two shows last week. Yep. Even though they were brief, we did them. know, I'm pretty proud. So Mr. Winham, have you done anything ⁓ not campaign related in the last week? Maybe something you'd like to share with the, with the class. I'll sit here trying to think, which is unusual. Okay. Be honest with you, about everything I did for the last three weeks has been campaign related. Okay. Okay. Well, I think the blower running for office makes all your days kind of blend in. does. Yeah. The rubber meat in the road is coming quicker every day. Well, look, if you're campaigning, if you're running an after campaign, then you are going to feel that. I think some people that we've seen in our couple of years doing this, ⁓ they just kind of coast. don't show up. They don't speak to anybody. just, I'm here and I'm in this party or I'm of this intersectional gender race, whatever. And you're going to vote for me anyway. And we'd like to see more activity and participation from our candidates. Well, let's get into it. So Saturday night, president Trump was rushed out of the white house correspondence dinner and armed man allegedly tried to breach security at the Washington Hilton. He allegedly tried allegedly. Yeah, he did. Okay. So we just don't. Yeah. Authorities of charge. This guy, Cole Thomas Allen with attempting to assassinate president Trump reported that he had a shotgun and a pistol. A secret service officer was hit, but protected by a vest and the president was not injured. ⁓ it's still an active case. So we're not going to know much yet, but I have opinions. I have opinions too. mean, political violence, doesn't begin with a trigger. It begins when people convince themselves that the other side is no longer human. How much we were talking about this, if the left or journalists constantly label President Trump as a pedophile, rapist, Nazi, if you keep dehumanizing the quote other side, you make it easy to treat them as non-humans. okay so do you want my research first or my opinion first? So let's see where's your research? That's on page three but go ahead. So what do we talk about looking up? Okay so here's what I did. I was like you know I listened to the people on the radio and the TV non-stop talking about fascist and Hitler and leftists and we don't know what rhetoric there is no violence and all that so I did some research about presidents who have been presidents who have been assassinated presidents who've been attempted to be assassinated ⁓ and how many Republicans and how many Democrats are each and then their assailants Okay, how many Republicans and how many Democrats because I show the class, please Well, hi sure will okay, so there have been four ⁓ Presidents ⁓ that have been assassinated on a live on a live. Okay, three are Republican One is a Democrat. Okay, okay So that's so we win on that well running in the assassination game. I don't really like that game. Well, not a good one, but of the four Yeah out of the four that were actually unalived three of the people that committed the assailants were Democrats ⁓ one was Republican, but I didn't stop there. Of course you didn't So I went through for everybody watching this is what happens when I tell Laura at one o'clock We're gonna prep for the show four o'clock. So here we go. So go right ahead So I went through all of the people that have been attempted to be assassinated Okay, and I like who like okay, so attempted target. ⁓ let's see Theodore Roosevelt. Okay, who was a Democrat FDR who was a Democrat? ⁓ Truman who was a man somebody tried to take out both Roosevelt's Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, yes. Both of them. Okay, so I went through all of them. Here's my research, see? Color coordinated and everything. And 11 attempts were towards Republicans. Six of them were towards Democrats. Okay? So again, we're winning. But the interesting part comes to 11 of the assailants. were Democrats, three were Republican, and three were they can't really decide on unclear and anti-establishment. they're not, three of them are unclear. So when they say there's violence on both sides. They're kind of a little bit right, but they're mostly wrong. Is it just a lack of passion on the side of conservatives? We just don't want to go about killing people. No, we just not care enough I don't think that it's that we don't care enough because we do care what I think it is is that the Democrats and When you use okay, so if you could go back in time and you're a sane person and you think about if I could kill ⁓ Hitler before he like killed millions of people would I do it? That's like a a normal thought. Well, now when you have elected officials, people that people look up to, you have the media, you have all of these people calling somebody a fascist. They can't comparing them to Hitler. They're saying that he has what do they call concentration camps. If you're just a little bit off your rocker and you hear it for 11 years, now you're going to start because we've had three, three attempts on Trump's side. This is the most attempts on any president since just what? 2024 summer. That's correct. So three attempts, but you've been hearing all of this craziness, know, we need, and they all say it, they need to put a bullet in their head. Um, when was the last time a president was on live? People saying this, have elected people that are continuing this narrative and political violence. wanted that one of our own elected officials had her own comments to make about it. And it's like, really, can you not just take a rest? Who was that? Doesn't matter though that she shall not be named Because I'm just if you want to figure it out. So you know what to me it really doesn't matter ⁓ Because it'll be known to their constituents. That's exactly be reelected or not ⁓ Well, she'll be reelected because she's in a d plus 17 area, but I Find it disgusting as a mother of a child who is killed my child May have done wrong in his life But I, that's not an excuse. You're talking about life here. We cannot be wishing for people to be killed. We cannot be making it. It's just unacceptable. And I am sick of it. I am sick of a lot of things right now. think, I think a lot of folks don't understand until it impacts them. ⁓ And unfortunately, if we don't teach better how to have, you know, there's a lot of talk in the city of having social programs from the, from the police department to work with the youth to deescalate and this that the other we need to teach these kids how to have a fistfight again you know mom and dad's need to pick up well there's like you know there is no one magic bullet so it is parental guidance there is the security of mom and dad absolutely well how about dad stay in the house how about mom's that guess a single mom stopped getting pregnant how about be start with birth control or abstinence and then from there move to if you get somebody pregnant you stay in the child's life period end of story full stop because it is the statistics are outlandish and if the father stays in the house or stays in the loved in the child's life how much better a child does boy or girl and how their life deteriorates they have just like a 70 some odd percent chance that you're going to get in serious trouble if your father is not in the home 70 some odd percent chance higher You know, unfortunately, when a parent split divorce, that seems like our judicial system always favors the mother. Right. And the dad takes it in the short rows. then the mother tries to keep the child away from the dad. see, that's not right. I agree. Well, socially it's not right, but I think traditionally human beings would think that the mothers nurture better, so that's why the deference is given to the female. But in this day and age, when you have... you do. But I almost think that if a woman has her children ripped away from her in this judicial system, that it means that woman has acted so heinously that something bad has happened. And that's a shame. need to look at it. The custody needs to be shared or whatever. But women, if you love the man enough to lay down with him, then you need to respect his rights of the child later. A parenting agreement is not worth the papers right now. Not if the people want to use the child as a football. Right. Absolutely. That's part of it. So let's get back to this assassination thing. So I mean, look, when it comes to we're labeling people with absolutely i'm sorry they misguided right trump is not a fascist a fascist is we defeated them in nineteen forty five if he was a fascist you wouldn't be able to have things like ⁓ and no kings rally but ⁓ you wouldn't be able to protest in the street you wouldn't be able to ⁓ there's a lot of things they're afforded rights wise that wouldn't be allowed if truly if he was what they're saying if he was a fascist if you disagree with him you would be unalived or attempted to be an alive now which side is it that is unaliving people because they don't agree with them. Well, let's go ahead and own the crazies on our own side. We do have crazies. We have them. I've always referred to the crazy blue hairs on the left. Not all them have blue hair. Some of them are just straight up crazy. each side has their extremes. That's correct. But at end of the day, words are not going to pull that trigger. It's going to load it, and it's going to go off by accident. with the wrong mix of mental illness and just fired up. ⁓ and I'm sure there'll be this whole push like our, ⁓ elected official, ⁓ let's get the guns out of the hands. No, well, it doesn't matter. as a law abiding citizen, check into the hotel with all those guns. They're in his hotel. They don't check into my bags. I mean, ⁓ The guy in Vegas, the one that killed all those people in that concert in Vegas, he checked in with like trunks of guns and nobody cried through anything. So I think he came up the stairwell. Well, he was staying, the guy was staying at the hotel and he checked in and he had a couple of bags, but he came down 10 stairs and then took off running towards them and they got him. But I have my theory about that. I think they're going to find that he was shot by friendly fire. I believe that. the secret service agent was shot in the chest and i think because that guys ran past them with this gun he's got a long gun when why did they stop the video and when did he have stopped time time to stop and shoot anybody and they got they all got done and they started shooting but he would he doesn't rush to the hospital with any bullet wounds i'm not law enforcement but you know laroo what did how would you judge the speed at which it seemed like they were responding is in the main room with trump it seemed like they took a good minute or two. It was about 30 seconds. it? I only saw two video clips. And one was the guy running through, I guess, the lobby. he come by, it was a blur when he went by. And I had to keep trying to stop it. Yeah. Yeah. Just because I was trying to figure out what he had at his hand. And there was a, I'm assuming, secret service agent to his left who fell back trying to get his weapon out the holster. So now it said that he had a shotgun and I was under the belief that he had a long gun, was AR ⁓ or something like that. And now I'm hearing it was a shotgun and a pistol. Right. So if it was a shotgun, he shot. If he had a semi-automatic shotgun, that's a shoulder fire weapon. And when you shoot it, it's got much more recoil and so forth. So you're not going to shoot it single-handedly. Yeah. And buckshot. is what they say. he had both shot, then you definitely not going to shoot that. I had a little people's of three inch or three and a half inch Magnum and so forth. So with the Secret Service, after I saw when Trump had his little thing that night and he talked about the Secret Service guy taking one of the best and he seemed to be fine. He's tough and blah, blah. That's all I've heard about it. I've not heard it, but I have not heard what top of the round hit his They're going to investigate, but my guess would be it was friendly fire if I had to guess. The investigation, I've got this look at the vest. It's probably embedded in the vest. Oh, absolutely. They're probably not going to say. We're not there, not on the crime scene, but from what it looks like, I kind of agree with you. It might've been friendly fire. The man got, the man was put down though, no matter what. Further temples anything because in the spur of the moment is crazy things happen and the ones where he come through in the border They're having to figure out what the heck did I just see you know exactly I didn't want to say that but now that I know it's we can yeah, I will Right, but then the next one I saw is when the the SWAT team the tactical team come on stage. Mm-hmm They're not sure what's going on. So the communications from over there to the stage is delayed. It's like, okay, I'm hearing something. We're responding, but what am I responding to? I think it's different priorities. I the front guys would be secure exits and the tactical guys would have been well, I will see the service when Bush came here for, I was with him for a week. And you wouldn't believe the things that they do on it. And that going there is no different than Bush coming here. They're going to set it up the same way. with Secret Service and they'll use some locals and they'll, and whatever. Cause the guys in black that come on the stage, I don't remember seeing Secret Service. I saw police on the back. I, if my recollection is correct. you know, ⁓ when we were here, when Bush came here, we had Febbel PDGRT and a band at the Coliseum. Had my guys actually stationed around the arena and the theater. and stuff and I worked with the two Secret Service guys that came in. One was on Bush's detail and the other one was an agent out of Greensboro. And it was amazing working with these guys with what they planned for. They're supposed to be the superior. And then what they bring in with them. Right. With the C-130s bringing in the vehicles and blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, ⁓ my gosh. Yeah, but these are top trained law enforcement supposed to be. and if you watch the video you'll see all of the ⁓ media there they crouched down they get on the table and and and president trump is still talking yeah and then you see i'm like i think i think they said because it was ⁓ in the room i mean you barely heard the shots on that yeah so let's let's move on that i want to put in our notes ⁓ jimmy kimmel ⁓ I mean a douche canoe and a half this guy so he said uh Alright, so I don't remember what he actually said to her. She would look like a grieving No, she looked like like an expected that I was like glowing expected with a right is what he said about our first lady now first lady Melania Trump responding on I think this was Facebook. This was this morning at 10 20 a.m ⁓ Her words, Kimmel's hateful and violent rhetoric is intended to divide our country. His monologue about my family isn't comedy. His words are corrosive and deepens the political sickness within America. People like Kimmel shouldn't have the opportunity to enter our homes each evening to spread hate. A coward, Kimmel hides behind ABC because he knows the network will keep running cover to protect him. Enough is enough. It is time for ABC to take a stand. How many times will ABC's leadership enable Kimmel's at the expense of our community. is against the law to threaten the president. That is an indirect threat. She looks like a... The problem I have with that is that Kimmel and the whole, he's got all the ABC apparatus, they've probably taken him to a camp and trained him to go right up on the line. with the reality and i think that okay so he may not be online as far as fascist camp where they put ideas in people's brains yeah as far as free speech goes but that doesn't that makes him a disgusting human being and anybody that glows or performs or out just the same like wishing for charlie kirk and celebrating that disgusting disgusting i'm not going to be nicer in the political realm i'm still going to call stupid when i call when i see stupid but wish ever somebody's death ever not ever have I ever I mean I've looked back on some old Facebook posts I've made and that's something the age so great but uh never did I find one that said man I hope you die I mean what is wrong I've never done that yeah me I mean that's me saying this I'm like I've seen it I know if there's anybody that's gonna say at least you're confident in my abilities I appreciate that so let's move on North Carolina House of Senate they started a short session last week The best way to describe Raleigh right now is this. They came back for a short session, long list of unfinished business. The big issues are still budget, Medicaid, teacher pay, tax cuts, state employee raises, county revenue and veto overrides. This is like a triage session right now. So let's talk about ⁓ the Medicaid thing. Medicaid is such a big hot button because the federal government has basically withdrawn some. And now the state is going to have to make up the shortfall of all the people that if you're on Medicaid and maybe those qualifications change, now the state has to come up out of pocket out of our budget. That's a big one. Perhaps the federal government will step back in when they figure out the trillions with a T, T.R. trillions of dollars that have been done in and given in fraud. I agree that. So one thing I did point out in a chamber meeting one time, I was speaking to PwC CEO. And we were talking about some funding that had been cut from the Trump administration and it was being used as a political and city view and some other things did some reporting and it was essentially, well, Trump, Trump did bad, you know? And I asked Mr. Brian, said, look, you've been doing this a long time. Is it not routine for governments to cut stuff and then reevaluate and you just reapply differently? He pretty much assented that was pretty much the way it works. So there's really no he didn't think there was somebody there that knew that well He's a he's a very and this doesn't go to mr. Bryant's leanings or whatever it just goes to I think people hear this in the media and they immediately go to Orange man down. Damn you, know But it's just natural part of being being in business or being in the government things come things go you just got to figure out how to how to Bob and weave but ⁓ I hope that they find that fraud and I hope they do help us back out because it is ultimately our money that we send upstairs to Washington DC. Yep. So I they found the fraud what I want to see are the people in jail I'm so tired of all the hearings and we're investigating and we're having hearings and we're having shut the heck up put somebody in jail Well, they've got enough discovery to seek indictments and if you go to seek an indictment with your discovery or what's your evidence and you don't get it, then you haven't done your job or either it's not there. Yeah. Well, I think a little bit has to do with the focus of our judicial apparatus in the last maybe, I guess, five, six years when Biden administration was in there, the federal law enforcement was really being focused on the other side. It was being used as lawfare and it wasn't being used to protect we the people. it was used to vilify and protect the system. other side. They did a very good job of that. Well, let's get to Governor Stein. He rolled out his budget. He wants an 11 % teacher raise, which sounds great. I'm sure that they would appreciate that. He wants it to be the highest starting teacher pay in the Southeast. He wants to restore master's pay and he wants to address some other things. But it's all fun and games until the bill comes due. In my opinion with that. Now house Democrats are pushing for a full budget because we are working on a mini budget right now. And, uh, so, and that's what they're still working on is that mini budgets, which is essentially just last year's budget. There's no better, but I'm not wants more paper clips this year. to me. Okay. Just me. Whether it's federal or local if your elected officials cannot do their job They don't get pay and or they don't get to go home Do you shop and that's fine? Well, let's talk about the other things that got kicked down the road so far now Look, this is only the first week. I think they went back in session Tuesday So it's it's six days. So tomorrow be seven days But it'll be amazing if they can't go home until they come to an agreement that they come to an agreement I believe they will find a budget agreement because one of the ⁓ obstacles was Senator Phil Berger with a personality disagreement with the House ⁓ Speaker. I think you're going to see some movement with that. ⁓ I hope you will. Now there's ⁓ property tax relief for seniors that got kicked down, ⁓ local control over land use. ⁓ We've had Ms. Marsh on her, the gentleman that won that race, Mr. Sari. His name is on this SB 214. But I saw a post from him yesterday explaining, look, yeah, we put our name on it, but by the time it goes to, goes through the sausage factory, it's not necessarily the bill he sent. Okay. And even Ms. Marsh, his former opponent acknowledged that. And I was very happy to see that. That to me is what good Republicans should do is eventually come back around. detail overrides are still hanging the good old SB 50. went, you went to Jones street about that one, didn't you? idea about the concealed carry I sure do so They don't even see it. They sent it they got the votes But the house always has to have some damn drama and that's where they're at Well, I will tell you that I went with somebody that's supposed to be an enemy who's not an enemy anymore And we fed very well off of each other. We think that SP 50 should be ⁓ Override should be overridden to be passed. Okay Explain that one to me. Okay. SP 50 is the concealed carry the only problem that I see is that it allows 18 year olds to conceal carry but it's the right to instead of a tax on the poor and women or whatever instead of that we So if I have my gun out here legal if I go like this illegal legal illegal So this says if you pass the background check if you do all of that stuff and you're able to carry it out You can carry it concealed, too You have the right to carry right now. 18 year old can't legally. That's a handgun. Oh, it does. That's a handgun. No, can't not conceal. It's a handgun, but long gun. to take whatever. Right. Yeah. Yeah. At 21, 21, but they can buy this does receded back to 18. But I wonder if we change the age to 21 with that pass, would they be okay with that? Coming from law enforcement, I would be all in favor of the 21. The I would never buy that. I let an 18 year old carry a handgun concealed because now what you're doing in my eyes, you're opening up the wild, west. Really? let's see, hold on. Go ahead. Think about it. If you're a young person and you're going to break the law. I can't carry a gun, so I'm not going to. No, the only people that this, any laws that you do, the only people you're affecting are the people that are law abiding citizens. A criminal is going to criminal because that's what criminals do. They're criminals. That's like a lock on your house. A lot keeps an honest man honest. That's right. A crook doesn't care. That's exactly right. A handgun is a totally different story. I have this. I think the people that. will be affected are the legal gun owners i mean there's some of this no doubt that there's so much stuff that's weapons that's how they end up on the street you know people uh... but an eighteen-year-old yes can go into military by all means but what kind of training they get in the military they get great training okay now have you been to a concealed carry training i sure have and it's mickey mouse training that's exactly right it is mickey mouse training people about many people a hundred of the people have asked me why don't why don't i do concealed carry. said, for the simple reason is, it's Mickey Mouse training. You come in at eight o'clock in class and you're out by one or two. And I went to a buddy of mine does it and I actually took my son to it. I took his mother to it. And he teaches the best class in the state of North Carolina as far as that's concealed, that Mickey Mouse class. But he adds to it. He's a formal tactical guy. He's a weapons guy, just like I was. And like I said, that's why I won't put my, I will not rubber stamp my name to that class just for that. And if I were, let's just, I'm gonna use you for example, You were to come to my class and all of a sudden you're out here in Walmart carrying your revolver and it falls off your holster and it hits the ground and it hits the hammer and it goes off. But it goes through four rows of beams. potato chip out a dog food thing and then hit some kid in the bassinet. That's because you said, well, I went to Windham's ⁓ class and he checked me off and he gave me my concealed carry or I could apply for it. So that leaves me somewhat responsible because I saw that you knew what you were doing and you were adult enough. to do it and get the correct type of holster system or rig to carry that weapon. Have you ever walked around Walmart and looked at all the, ⁓ gosh, the non concealed carry people carry? I mean, have you actually paid attention to it? How many times have you said, if I went up and took their gun, you reckon they'd get mad at me? I've thought that a thousand times. because nine and a half out of 10 of them, could take it in the blink of an eye. And it's because of those types of rigs they're carrying those weapons in. They're not safe. They can't handle the gun. don't do enough training. haven't taken the class. They're not concealed carry. They don't understand. That doesn't matter. I can still carry. You don't even know that I'm carrying. And probably that person that's carrying that crazy rig is probably out on Saturday and Sunday shooting. beer bottles or beer cans or bean cans while the ones that's had the class is on the golf course or here or there and doing on the beach or whatever, they're not practicing. I don't know. I've got a lot of- What does that have to do with concealed carry? Got everything in the world to do with the class. To me, the class is not where it should be for you as a citizen to come in and take a class. When you left there, did you feel comfortable with what you had allegedly had learned? And I say allegedly, I mean, kind of, I'm not meaning that you didn't learn anything. Okay. But what they put on in that class. Well, I will just say that this pesky little piece of paper that I keep going back to that says something like, um, shall not be infringed. Well, that's second amendment. understand that. Right. So, um, don't think I should have to take a class to carry my gun because if I am as a single woman. If I'm out in public and I'm carrying my gun and I don't have the money to carry it to get a concealed time because it's you know, I'm saying whatever so I don't have the money so I'm carrying it on the outside and a bad guy comes in who's the first target? Me the woman with a gun on my holster because why because I can take him out But if he can't see it and he doesn't know that I have come then I have the opportunity to be concealed So you're making me as a woman Target as a woman who not necessarily cannot worry not necessarily a target Most most people come into Rob a store. Mm-hmm. Don't look at who's in there. They're going where? To the register or into the register where the money's at. I mean don't I Don't know how it got bad guy thinks but to me logically I'm gonna look around see if anybody's got a gun first. I send a movie And I'm not saying that to be funny and facetious. ⁓ If I was a bad guy, that's the first thing I would do. Most bad guys, I've been to many robberies. First thing they did is they walked in the door and went straight to what they wanted and went right straight back out the door. You could have, you, Peter, myself, anybody in the store could have, taken that person out as we call it. But when they come in, they've got tunnel vision and they're focused on one thing and one thing only. They're not focused on Peter, Laura, or Rue. They're focused on money and they know where the money's at because they've been in that store previously. Well, this is kind of a defense of the class. ⁓ you know, having taken that class, know, legally you are taught, ⁓ it is for personal protection. Only if that guy came with you, could you then engage him? You can't just go shoot him in the back of the head. You know, mean, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's to me. the class teaches you is not to me. If you went through. And I this would be hard to do for anybody, especially working adults. But if you had say two full days of class and how much would that set me back as a single woman, you can pay the same thing and go, you know, they charge you a hundred bucks for two days. What it cost you when you went, think was like hundred bucks for the class. then another 90, it's the sheriff's office paid the $90 just to get the permit. 200 bucks. Yeah. $125 for the class for four hours or something. That's high. We can get it now for 50 or 60. But the point being is if somebody took a two hour, two day class instead of what would, how long were there six hours? It's thereabouts with the, the, the on the range time. Yeah. But my point is how about in school, since this is shall not be infringed, just an idea here in elementary school, we teach gun safety. And then when we get into elevated school, we teach, can take part of STEM classes and do ballistics training. So then you learn about ballistics, which is math and science and trajectories and all that stuff. then people respect guns. You're dealing with ⁓ counties, county level stuff right now, SB 50. I'm always on the fence with it because I see merit with having ⁓ a system of class and permitting. And I also see the other side that we shouldn't be infringed. We should be able to out to what we do. Now, some sheriffs such as the one away County during COVID weaponized that system against the citizens. Whereas they were not staffing their concealed carry, whoever was doing those permits, they were making sure that your permit language there for over a year, you know, because they didn't like the idea of issuing. Because I think in North Carolina it's well when the background issue when the background check was taken away from sheriff's offices that upset him, cause it was what? It took money out of their so-called pockets, budget, that's why there shouldn't even be a budget item. I was there when that happened. So I saw the delay and I know why the delay was happening. let's come back. Let's come back to that. One other thing, the legislature has kicked down the road. I miss this one. Grocery tax. They're trying to deal with 2 % grocery tax, which the issue with repealing that is then 2 % less money going to the counties. in the county is gonna try to get it somewhere else. Exactly. So, but it sounds good repeal a 2 % tax on your groceries. It's gonna make a difference at the dinner table. They'll put it on our ammunition. Yeah, that's probably right. I think that's what the Obama administration did was he taxed the hell out of ammunition. Remember that? So, well, look, it's a short session, bunch of long problems. I do want to say hello to Monica. She's in the house with us this evening. And we're going to have Jonathan on. I guess I just need to schedule him, Monica. get your not so great or better half to give me a call. We'll go set him right up. But I do want to say, because Monica, you've weighed in on a lot of Hope Mills issues. Monday, we're going to go live at 5 PM. We're going to have Mayor Jesse Bell Flowers from Hope Mills. just committed to that today. So he's going to come on and we're going to pick through the audit report that was issued by State Auditor Dave Bullock's office. uh... i'd feels a little bit like reading fifty six pages of uh... government fun time uh... i've read through it i highlighted it i got notes i'm gonna have to look at the end the don't chat i'll give you my notes okay that's interesting yeah i haven't read it six pages i've read that the readers digest version yeah okay i think we should always welcome the state auditor especially it's not because he's a republican but just if you know mister bollock You know, kind of work he's going to do. And I think we should always, we should welcome to have three more years of him to just go ahead and push through some audits that have, think he's better publicizing it. He's putting them in better formats to read and understand, ⁓ more so than I've ever seen from an auditor before. think he'd be a good governor. think he absolutely be a great governor. let's, well, The governor's not up for ⁓ election this time, but sheriff is. So, Mr. Louie Winham. He's a Republican candidate for Cumberland County Sheriff. This race is going to matter because sheriff is not just another law enforcement title. The sheriff touches the jail, the courthouse security, warrant, civil process, patrol, investigation, school safety, and coordination with police departments across the county. That's a lot of stuff. And let's see. That's about it. So the sheriff's word public social needs, trust. So we're supposed to trust the person we're electing. So what is the difference between the police department, a favorable police department and the sheriff's office? As far as the law enforcement part, there is no difference. Okay. And it kind of goes back to BLT, basic law enforcement training. There is a class and this I'm going back to what I went through, but there is a class. can't comment what year that was. Long time ago. Sure. I can't remember if John Glenn has stepped on the moon. Okay. I can ask you these kinds of things, but if you was a female out here, can't ask the age. Okay. I don't have a heart. have a pumping guess. There you go. You made me lose my train of thought. When is it you went through your BLT and then we'll talk about the difference between sheriffs and the police department. There was a class. Okay. And during the week of that particular class, everybody that was in BLT with me that worked for the sheriff's office went to this side of the room and everybody was going with a PD or was working with Febbel PD ⁓ went to this side of the room. Okay. The rest that were in between had to decide, you want to work for a sheriff's office or the police department. Okay, so whoever did, they went to whichever side room they were supposed to be in. So the rules were the PD people, they went somewhere else. Us, we stayed there and we had to learn. Civil, the courts and the jails. Civil is the biggest. Civil is the number, besides the jail, civil will get a sheriff in trouble quicker than anything. For the simple fact of having to know when civil papers like domestic violence. You've got, think it's a 24 hours, it's got to be served. And a judge does not want to see that paper come back. That means that somebody didn't do their job or didn't attempt to do their job. Isn't that the most dangerous? it domestic? Domestics can be. I can tell you a really good domestic story. Is it good? We've got more time. It's great. I think it's great. So, okay, so if the paper comes back to the judge, does that mean maybe even though you guys as sheriff's have you did your job? What's going to is the judge is going to get mad. He's going to call the sheriff at two o'clock in the morning, wake the sheriff up. And then the sheriff is going to call wanting to know why this paper hasn't been served. Well, one is we can't find him or her or they've left or they're in hiding or something in. y'all seen it on TV when something happens and nobody saw anything nobody knows anybody and so forth so then you have to start digging sure all right and yes a judge and i said a little bit that facetiously but a judge will go back and read because it has to be reissued right reissued that paper uh forced to try to uh uh serve it right right uh but yes uh what Your comment was, yeah, domestics can be extremely. Well, whenever you're in the middle of true love, that just seems to happen. I think I use that as an excuse to 911 operator one time when two guys, guy and a girl were going at it about three o'clock in the morning in the parking lot. And they said, you know, can you interrupt? said, I don't get in the middle of true love, man. You know, I'm leaving this alone right now. I'm not getting stabbed for this. So, so basically the difference between you and the police department, I mean, Just you have basically civil. The city cannot serve civil papers. Okay. County is the only ones that can serve civil papers. All right. And that's because you had to train in BLAT. Now, since I was in BLAT with John Glenn, um, they may all be going through civil process now because a lot of folks that are in the community college BLATs, some of them are sponsored by agencies. Some of them are hired by agencies and some could be sheriff's officer. He's police departments ⁓ like Fable Fable on carries or Conducts their own VLAT. I think the sheriff's office here again has started doing that Is it not standardized through the whole state? No, these guys have to learn. I was the same thing. Okay, but It's like It's like the toy where it's got two handles on each end and you're pulling and I'm pulling. I want it, but you want it. And we're going to see who's going to get it. That's kind of like what sheriffs and police chiefs start doing with this personnel, which to me is just totally asinine. ⁓ That's how these agencies become decimated without personnel. But my point being with that is, Let's just say I hired somebody from a police department that has not had civil process. What do I do? I send them to take civil process. No big deal. I just don't let them serve civil papers until they've had that class. You know, they take the test and you move on. Everybody's happy. So then I can put them in the civil section serving papers or I can hand them to the road patrol officer if he's a road patrol officer. So look, you serve these papers now. Uh, before, no, um, just, Can't do it. so, so you guys run the jail, you run the courthouse, city police doesn't do that. Uh, you serve the civil papers when I'm being sued or suing somebody or getting divorced or what have you, you're the one. So why don't, uh, so if you guys can't find the person. Can I just get a process server or somebody to walk up like in the movies say, you so and so you've been served? The process server, it depends on what the paper is now. It's not going to be a domestic violence. Uh, that's gotta be done by a certified officer cause most time that's probably an order for arrest. Right. Okay. Okay. Most of the time an order for arrest comes from a judge because somebody's in this court. A warrant is you went down sworn out a warrant to a magistrate. or a judge. ⁓ But the processor that you ask about can be used, utilized. And I think some lawyers around here do that with some ⁓ baby daddy ain't paid money and stuff of that nature. ⁓ But still, like Laura said, the domestics are still a domestic or falls under domestic. ⁓ can be dangerous. Okay. You walk out with some guy and slap him in the chest and say, here you are $10,000 to baby mama. And he slaps your hand and says, don't know about a Jack. And then he says, know, who are you? And blah, blah. Well, I got something for you. You know, then all of sudden the process servers in trouble. Right. Right. Right. So, um, I don't even know if that's even used around here. I don't ever recall it when I was working. We're going to let the audience chime in here. So according to Monica strange, she says the court doesn't allow a process server without permission. So, I guess Monica, so, ⁓ Leroux tell us why you're running. I mean, this is not your first time running. And, ⁓ you've been, I know you've been a sheriff's deputy before, ⁓ speaking about like BLET and stuff like that. as a former do you keep up with it like containing ed for officers or I'm sorry pretty much like when's the last time you've been active and have you kept up any licensing or any oh yeah I don't know what you need to do I'm still a certified law enforcement officer. What do you what do you Johnson in Alamance County carries my certification. Okay. I'm a general instructor, but I have instructor certificates from here to go and drive. ⁓ The only two that I didn't have was driving and defensive tactics. In the defensive tactics, it's because I've had two neck surgeries and a shoulder surgery, and I just didn't feel like getting beat up for two weeks. ⁓ So I've taught all kinds of law enforcement related classes. I've done in-service training. I've taught in BLAT. ⁓ My forte was firearms. I always did the BLAT Farms classes, the lead instructor. And I go back to my tactical training that with Fort Bragg, we did a lot of training with some people at Fort Bragg or some people Fort Bragg would come here and train with us. was, know, no amount of money could pay for the experience I got through that. but. And once again, with the firearms training, once that week was over, 50 something hours was over, I felt well to sign off on that you've qualified. The qualification is a lot different and that I had a hand in that, that you came out, you're in BLAT, you want to be a law enforcement officer. And one of your main tools is your sidearm. That's your primary weapon. and you had no clue which end to hold, which end to pull, which end to, you know what I'm saying? And then by the end of the week, you were very proficient with that weapon. So, know, kind of pat, pat, pat on the back. You feel good about it. You feel good about the person that you've helped. And hopefully whenever they go to work with a law enforcement agency that they make right decisions. Okay. So what is What is broken in the Sheriff's Department? What needs to be improved? And if we elect you as Sheriff, what are the first hundred days, what are you going to look to accomplish or change in the Sheriff's Department of Cumberland County? Morale. Okay. Is awful. So it's awful because. thought it was a lot better since what's his name took over? Sheriff Morgan. Well, I was going to get to that. Okay. You beat me to it. Sorry. She's got a habit of that. You know, just stuff like that. We do our research. It's called research. You do, don't you? Yeah. Uh, but you're right. And I'm friends with Jonathan. I've talked to Jonathan two or three times since the primary election, um, which he's talked to McDuffie also, uh, and so forth. So, I mean, just no hiding there as far as that's concerned. And I understand too, that Jonathan or sheriff Morgan, um, was doing everything he could to bring the morale up from what it had endured the previous, what, eight years? ⁓ The decimation, and that's a word that was given to me of the agency, and not by Sheriff Morgan, this was by some of the deputies. ⁓ For example, the SRO, school resource officers, he had a unit of 40 plus deputies because they had all the county schools, because it's a county school system now. And all of a sudden, what a week's notice, something like that, that they're doing away basically with the SRO program. It was 10 days in their defense. Okay. give or take a day or two or three. ⁓ There's nothing like working with him. But anyway, know, federal PD, here you go. And federal PD has now because there was probably at least 80 % of the schools in the city limits of federal. So the county's got very few schools. Hope Mills picked up some schools. I understand Hope Mills is liking, liking doing SRO duties. Spring Lake, I'm not even sure who's doing Spring Lakes, if they're doing it or not. And that's a shout out. the county kept on with them. Yeah, certain of the small municipalities they did retain, but definitely Hope Mills and Fayetteville got dropped. ⁓ But. This is another word that I've just been used was talking with me was a kingdom that they thought it was a kingdom at the sheriff's office. Okay. It's not a kingdom. It's a law enforcement agency. And if I'm supposed to, if I'm working for you, I should be working with you. And that's what I want. The men and women of the sheriff's office to understand when I go in office, they're not going to work for me. They're going to work with me because we're going to become that conglomerate that makes this county happy again for the lack of a better word. Because at one time we had probably one of the best sheriff's offices in the state. People wanted to come to work here. So specifically what are you going to do? What specific measurable goals do you have in order to ensure that you do that? the engagement I feel like that I have with the men and women of the sheriff's office once I go in office. Once everybody's re sworn back in and stuff and I let them know what I expect of them. There are going to be some changes, but they're going to be for the better. and forgive me if I don't say what my changes are right now is something I don't want to put out. They just pointed that, you know, maybe in two or three months, if you have me back, yeah, I'll put them out. But not right now. I think what I'm wanting to do is we're going to go back a little bit in time and we're going to keep some modern but some of this modern policing is not working. It's become a reactive. What's an example of a modern policing? It's reactive. It's not proactive. Okay. So you want to return to more proactivity? No, we're going to return to proactivity. Working with other police departments. The right hand has no idea who's rearing. What I say, right hand, right hand is scratching. And when that happened with a city this size, a Fayetteville, Coomber County, 300 plus thousand people, Hope Mills, Fayetteville, Spring Lake, the four agencies have got to talk amongst each other. They have got to put out information. If there's a homicide in the city, why aren't you contacting the county? to say, this is what it looks like the MO of this suspect is. We don't have them in custody. They don't do that now? No, no. Sheriff Morgan, and I've talked with Jonathan, ⁓ and I've talked with a couple of people, that is something that he and the chief and Fayetteville have kind of started working back on to build that relationship back up. ⁓ Hope Mills chief, the former sheriff kicked him out of the law enforcement center over the SROs from what I'm told. They got a big argument and the former sheriff basically just said, there's the door. I don't think they'd spoke since. And it was all over because of how that became. It was so quick, as you said, 10 days, know, 10 days and I need 10 more bodies that I don't have. You know, you got to train them. You've got to send them to an FTO program. ⁓ you just don't put somebody out of BLAT working in the school, right? ⁓ even though they've had active shooter training, which I was an instructor in that also the first one. ⁓ so it's not as easy as it looks, so to speak to do the SRO job, mean to do the SRO job or to do any of it really, because of the, become an SRO, you've had to train and do all this other stuff first. Or you shouldn't even be thought about. Well, plus you want an experienced person in that role. You don't want to, you don't want a new guy, even if they have all the classes that doesn't experience. The classes are neither here nor there. The streets, the street work is what I'm talking about. They've had, they pulled over cars, they've written tickets, they've investigated burglaries, have been investigated robberies. They've been to shootings, they've run tape on a crime scene. They've done all this stuff. Now, yes, you can be an SRO, but think about this. You're an SRO at a school. Doesn't matter if it's elementary. I talked there for five years from the elementary to the middle school. When you go visit a classroom, you know, they're all in all of all your shiny, your badge and stuff, your gun, your whistle, your magazines, whatever. And they want to ask you questions. If you haven't done any of stuff that I've asked, I've told you about how can you tell you about it? Well, I know. And that's what they're looking at. They want to love you and they want to respect you. You know, the little ones want to come up and grab you around the leg and hug you. know, when you're there meeting and greeting them in the morning, when they're coming to school, getting out of mom and dad's car, getting off the bus. ⁓ but, ⁓ let me know if I get too far away from this. I think people with the SRO debacle, will call that people did not understand that the sheriff's department is not obligated to provide the SRO service to the schools. it's actually paid for by the school system. Not all of it. But yes, there are, you still have the equipment, you still have the uniforms and stuff like that. I'll tell you about Go ahead, break it down. This is how it was when I was there, because the SROs fell underneath me. Okay, go ahead. The school system paid 100 % of a high school SRO, and that included the vehicle. equipment and uniforms. They paid 50 % of the middle schools or declined as you went down. back then when I was in, I left in 08 when I was there, we were not in the elementary schools yet. We all think we did in elementary schools was teach there. And that was in the early nineties through about the late nineties. ⁓ Fable City taught it. We taught it. Matter of fact, Fayetteville City had still had the SRO program when they started teaching the DARE program. We all started at the same time, went to Durham for two weeks and took the training from the SBI and come back, set it up with the school system. We had a boss with the school system. We answered to her at least once a month, we'd have a meeting. And it was great. It was a super program, but it was something that was new. And everybody loved it. You know, had your graduation, all the kids, you... you would recognize certain kids, the ones that stood out in class, just like when you go to school. Sure, sure. So with that, was, I don't think anybody back then that was close to the program is like having a kid that was going through the program would tell you no matter what their walk of life was, would not tell you that that kid did not have a ⁓ pleasant and a ⁓ great way or great thinking of that officer and the program was you know they had a book they had to work out of and the whole shooting match. You had what 12, 11, 12 different classes that were taught to them. So SRO is a important thing to you that you were used to be in charge of that program so I think that's kind of got a place in your in your mind. Look at it like this and I've even said this I did the I guess it's the first time I ran in 18 when we had the debate over it in the library. was four of us. And that come up about the schools and stuff. said, Who in here can put a dollar value on a child's life? Well, know, I'm talking as far as their safety is concerned. if I'm going to try to keep your child safe in a middle school and a high school, why can't we do it in elementary school? You know, and then the private schools jumped on board and stuff. So It became a debacle to an extent using your words. Okay. trying to do that because, know, when the city kind of did like the former sheriff did with it, when Chief Hanson was the chief of police for the city, was like on Monday, he said, Friday is our last day of SRO and there. So everybody is like, ⁓ we're scrambling. So that's why you had a mass exit from the PD over to the sheriff's office, but they wanted to work in SROs, which back then most was the sheriff. He hired them and put them right back in the school, right where they were at. So it worked. Well, when this incident happened, it was done because the agency was decimated. They were down between 60 and 100 people just on the law enforcement side. So if you look at all those vehicles parked down beside the jail or the detention center, that's not the graveyard. That's because they don't have a butt to go in them. And that's something I plan on filling pretty quick. so whenever we got rid of the SRO program, or the half of it or more than half of it that opened up those people in those positions to now go work the road, go to detectives, go wherever. ⁓ For the simple fact is right now they got four petoons, ABC and D petoon to work your neighborhoods and stuff during the day, six to 12 hour shifts. Each petoon has 10 slots for 10 deputies, road deputies. and you have three supervisors. Two of the platoons have five vacancies. Okay. The other two platoons have four vacancies. So anytime the most you have working is 60%. And that's a critical at the size area they're having to work. This is a big county. And then when the mass ⁓ annexation took place in October the first of 2006. Where you from? The city wasn't ready for it. They knew it was coming, but the city wasn't ready for it. And then when we were basically kicked out of that area, I'll never forget this. We were given a sheet of paper, especially for the ones of us that were at LAC. This was anybody's secretary, anybody that down there that had a telephone. And what it was is it was a call for service. So they say, Laura, you called me to say, LaRue, is that meeting, when's it not a Thursday night? And I say, it's on Thursday night, Laura, hang up. goodbye, have a good day, hang up. Well, that sheet was, I was to fill it out as a call for service, which is not. And the reason being that most of all we were gonna lose money. And that October of 06, when they turned in all the sheets for the calls of service for that month, we actually did a thousand more calls for service than we did the previous year when we had that area. So that kind of backfired. The leadership, the organizational management. ⁓ I feel like my experience, my education, my training. qualifies me best for this position. Going back three or four sheriffs. ⁓ I'm not scared to say that. mean, I'm proud of me if I may say that. ⁓ But I've been fortunate too. I've been lucky. I've had a good career. ⁓ And I feel like now from what I know, what I've learned, what I've done, that I can pass it along. The leadership that nobody's going to lose their job. ⁓ David is in civilian workers at any sheriff's office when a new sheriff comes in. They're all expecting some type of mass exodus. Right. What is that? That's our closing music. Are we done? We're coming up. Yeah. Yeah. So we've already been out. So y'all been on over and over. Sheriff is not just about a badge. It's about leadership judgment. It's about the jail courthouse, the schools, the roads, warrants. We've already been over this and the people who just want to feel safe in their county. So whoever ends up wearing the badge, we wish you luck in your campaign. So how can we find out about you for your campaign and all go ahead and tell everybody. Actually, my website is not up. It hopefully will be up in the next two weeks. It will be ⁓ like Larue Windham Sheriff.com. Okay. So we can Google Larue Windham and then for Sheriff.com and then we will find out all you want to know about Mr. Windham right here. So thank you so much for being here this evening. I think we'll be back on Wednesday. I'm not sure the guest yet, but we do have Jesse Bellflowers next Monday, mayor of Hope Mills, to come talk about that audit. we got some, we're in election season, so it's time to start talking to these guys. Well, whoever calls you in council is call me. I got you. Okay. Well, to everybody watching, thank you for joining us this evening. We'll see you on Wednesday. Thank you. Thank you.