Caitlin Marsh on Advocacy, Overcoming Adversity, and the Future of Soil and Water in Johnston County

Peter Pappas: Well, everybody, welcome back to the Carolina Cabinet. I'm your host, Peter Pappas, in studio with the lovely Caitlin Marsh. Hi. Good good afternoon. Good morning. Good morning. So I'm good. And you, how are you? I'm good. Because it's been a while since you've been in the cabinet. before we get into politics stuff, let's just Take a breath. What besides politics do you like about Johnson County where you grew up? I think the community. I really love that. How everyone's kind of still networked together. Okay. It's definitely a beautiful place to live. And there's still a lot of beauty to it. It's a lot of urbanization. There's been a lot of growth. A lot of growth. but there's still those beautiful aspects. Okay. Well, think about that small town aspect. Has that helped? I I'm not gonna say help or hinder, but how's that been in a small town dynamic when things just happen or life happens and you gotta deal with the peanut gallery? It's been something. Everyone knows everything. Yeah, yeah. I had some fun times this summer. Okay. For sure. Very eventful. I've done a lot of things I've never done before. Mm-hmm. One of which I went to jail. That's awesome. Okay. Crazy. Yeah, normally not a voluntary thing. No, it wasn't. Yeah. d should I look for an ankle monitor or something or am I in here with a known criminal? Charges dismiss. look at you beating the rap. Well it's hard to convict somebody when there's no evidence. Well, that's a thing. Yeah, it is. I d I thought you just could say I thought you could just be offended. Yeah. And somebody could go to jail. They can. That's what I thought. It's crazy. North Carolina's one of the few states that you can go up and you can tell a mas magistrate your testimony, your story, whatever you want to say. And if you're convincing enough. They can believe you off a sworn testimony. Mm-hmm. So if you can outact the other person. I like that. Well well I could go take charge down on you right now. And I could get an warranty. I wouldn't do well in jail. I the Shaw Shank days are over. I don't know how to do taxes for people. I just would not look good in orange. Yeah, it's not my well, my uniform was pink. It was? It was pink. Okay, gender appropriate I Gender what do you call gender appropriate? It was. I w it was kind of cute. I looked good in it. It was it was Forty eight hours on a hold in a holding cell, due to the relation of the claimant. I I th what I find astronomically insane is how is someone who has who's convicted of stalking and harassment then taking charges out against the person that for that they yeah, the victim of that. For stalking and harassment. right. And then I don't know, having a D V P O that's been renewed for three years. It doesn't expire till next year. How were they able to do it? The that's more of like a there's a lot of issues within how the system works and you have to correct those issues. Because this is a common occurrence in cases like this is you manipulate the system to get what you want. And cases like this you're referring to domestic violence. Right. And a very contested divorces and stuff like that. Yeah. Going three years going on strong, but I'll be divorced by next month. Okay. So all right. Anybody watching, if you're single, Caitlin'll be she'll be fully, fully single. Single single. Single single single, but no equitable distribution yet. Okay. Well, fortunately, you know, I've made it to my advanced age and never been married or divorced. Well divorced, I guess is the unfortunate part. But you don't look like you've aged much from that. So you're still looking very vibrant and young. I think it's a snail mucus that I put on my face. Is it the Is it the tricks? I think Korean beauty trends, honestly, they hit. They hit. That just scares me. You it's like what if they're putting in like I don't know well toxic you should see what the stuff we put in in the US is not great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty bad. The whole make America healthy again thing. I love how people are angry at Kennedy and it's like, dude, he's saying we don't need this in our food because even Europe said not to put this crap in. Yeah. But somehow it's okay for us. Yeah. So yeah, I I'm with you. I'm with you. So all right, we're gonna jump right in. So you You ran a primary against a sitting Republican back in March. why, in your own words, did you do that? Well, so August of last year, I finally got to my breaking point with the way things were going with my cases. And I was like, There because I like I've told you before, and I'll say it again, I would read the legislation and I loved case law and I would do my own cases. And if you can It wasn't just the math wasn't math and why couldn't anything happen? And this is something like I recently spoke about this online, but in the courtroom what shifted everything was the fact that there was the judge was upset with the prosecutor for bringing up the immigration status of someone who was already under arrest by ICE and his he was not there in the courtroom for those charges. So then the judge and verbatim said something along the lines of questioning if his immigration status was really illegal under this current administration, that kind of mentality was shifted the whole entire court cases. It was not great. Growing up they would call that legislating from the bench. Right. What the hell no, you're there to enforce the law that's in front of you. It's not about conjecturing whether this guy is legal or lelegal. No. And it's not it should not had any weight in the courtroom. Any any Political affiliation should not have any weight truly in the courtroom. But it does. And it's these overzealous judges who lack true accountability. And it's not all of them, because I have on both sides of the aisle, there's impartial judges who are great and amazing. And I currently have one who's great and amazing. And you don't have to agree agree on things politically to understand morality and what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. There should have been more accountability had someone should he should have been held more accountable. And I got tired of thinking that's just the way the cookie crumbles. So then I was like, I'm gonna change the legislation. Maybe the only way to do that is to get in office. Maybe then, maybe then something will happen. But then through running for Senate, I realized hey, Caitlin, you might be wrong on a few things. You might not be entirely correct. And I saw things for what they were. I saw how You heard it here first, gent ladies and gentlemen. The Carolina Cabinet, a female has admitted that she may be wrong. I'm gonna record that and I'm gonna loop that. That's gonna be my new ringtone. You're welcome. Yeah, thank you. no, but I I realize that it's not just legislation that has to they can do whatever they want in the legislature and they can get legislation passed. And even if the laws are already there, it has to be the judges who implement them. Right. So it's it's a whole system wide. issue with it's not everyone in office is not terrible, but people get that perception based upon what is happening and things aren't getting better. Well and where the rubber meets are when they see the law the law being applied. And then you get an activist judge that I mean, do you remember the charge of that supposed or not supposed illegal person? Like was he in there for like a D UI and murdered somebody? Okay, but so yeah I'm worried about his immigration status when he whoops on his wife. Yeah, that's great. And not him not being in court and not wanting to continue it. It was something like that. But I don't really the exact of his case do I remember entirely? No. But mine I do because I wa left that courtroom feeling defeated. Right. and that A criminal could live above the law while I was left to suffer and endure. Yeah, you're in that courtroom with how many kids? Three three kids. Three kids at home. Yeah. And this guy they're trying to defend him without the he might not be either. Yeah, I mean well, when someone who gets a the there's a lot of You're looking at someone who got he got second chance back in March when he was let off probation with two guilty probation violations from February. And those are after a multiple multitude of D V P O violations. And he only got twelve months of supervised probation for almost taking my life, which that was the severity of what happened. and my children were all there to witness it. And then four weeks later found I was pregnant with my youngest. So I went through all that and Just imagine the slap in the face when then in April he starts violating the order that he just got off probation for five violations. He received five violations from April to April. He got one or two a month for like the next few months and then come August and it's six months of unsupervised probation for someone who does not live within the parameters of the law. So it felt like the system was rigged, but it wasn't. It was if the judge would have been in a different mood. I'm sure it would have been a different outcome. But it's that shouldn't hold. No, that I don't think that's in the legislation in the general statute of it rate your mood, exactly your people meter. So exactly is and then rule differently. Well, look, I've known you now for almost two years. Yeah. So I've definitely seen you frazzled, I've seen you calm, I've seen you collected, so and you're very calm and collected today. Thank you. Now you ran for the state Senate against the incumbent, whatever. You still took about sixteen percent of the vote. Mm-hmm. First time out as a single mom. you filed. Did you file in September? I Is that when you did? So I filed my campaign finance committee in September. Okay. I wanted to make sure it had everything squared away because I was like, I want to bring in So you had and that's what I was saying, you know, you had a little bit of runway before the election, but not I mean a lot of people wait until December to file. So you had like what two months ahead. I had it was more just the campaign finance committee because I wanted to make sure that everything was in case anyone looked at like anything, it was all Well, you don't look good in pain in orange, but you didn't know it was paint. So maybe then yeah, I didn't want to get some tax evasion charges, but there wouldn't be tax evasion be. So you went for the big fish. Mm-hmm. You went for U for not US N C Senate. what made you decide that My next calling is soil and water supervisor. Not another shot at the just going after that same incumbent again. No. I w I don't know if I would necessarily go after Benton again. he's a I I think he's a decent senator sometimes. And that's Senator Sar. Senator Sorry, yes. I think he's okay. Now hindsight's twenty But it's not spelled S O R it's not sorry, it's soury. Sorry. It I think you have to I don't know. It's S A W R. E. Y. Okay. All right. But he's he's he was very He really was kind to me during the election. Okay. We had some spats. I definitely was a bulldog towards them. You yeah. Yeah, a little bit. I recall a few kerfuffles. Yeah. He was very but good sport, all in all. yeah. And Okay. It was well listen changed my life for the better. What I observed about your race was definitely you're a young single female, mm-hmm, raising children. And some of the establishment GOP, some of the people that in my opinion, have exceeded their useful life in our party. Basically they're crotchety and old. I'm just gonna just crotchety. Okay. they did not really welcome you when they should be nurturing the people that are in your age bracket to run for these offices. I mean, I I think you were accused of running against a well liked incumbent. It's like I was. It's not his name on the scene. No. I I So why are they why was it so visceral towards you, I guess? I think well I definitely came in with no pri I had no political pedigree, no prior knowledge. I did everything on my own. But I think that's more of an asset because who can do what I did? Mm-hmm. Not many people. But I did. It's a lot of work. And you did work hard. You put the hours in. I didn't it was nonstop and that was all while being full time in college and still managing to take care of my children full time and figuring life out. I sacrificed a lot and I and that's where the my whole philosophy came from. It's not what you want, and that'll never be the question, or the question isn't what you want. Everyone wants something. It's always how bad do you want what you want? And I want it all. Okay. And I want it badly, very badly. Okay. I found something that I love advocacy. That was always the strong thing that pulled me towards politics is advocacy. And I started advocating for domestic violence long before I s I decided to run for office. Right. And I picked up different like little niches of things that I enjoyed doing in water conservation was one of them. I always would say I'm the Lorax when it comes to water conservation. Because you need three things to live. You need air, you need food, so you need soil, and then you need water. They're they're not non-negotiables. But what about the just of the grocery store, the food? I don't I don't need soil and water. I mean, you know well, of course you do. You need everything. The grocery store. So I I think the grocery store is kind of like honestly at this point, like I like as an adult and as like a mom, like looking at everything and like, well, why can't we grow our own fruits and vegetables in our yard? Like why isn't the soil good? Like why aren't these things, what is happening? And then you go into like you find out about microbials in the soil and contaminants, which microbials are contaminants. And like for instance, when you go in and it doesn't matter if you're building a neighborhood, let's say it's a mile or two away from a farm and you're going and you're building a neighborhood. Well guess what? All that deforestation, all that is gonna push out into that farmland or the different agricultural aspects around it. What's happening to the soil? There's so much that I've looked at and I think it's just My will start to turn and I have this idea and this idea and how can we fix this and what can we implement with the system that we already have? Which a lot of that analysis of things, implementation upon systems that already exist comes from dealing with the issues that I dealt with with so what I went to. You basically ran like hell for the Senate race and then you learned some other places that you thought you could help. So what does the soil and water so the office you're running for, what does it actually do? So it's for education and grants and funding. So you basically you're going to look at the grants and get the grant money to come. And a lot of it focuses right now, currently on like farmers and agriculture, which rightfully so. I think that there we've had such a rapid growth in Johnston County that there is a huge disconnect because most people don't know what soil and water does. It's a very quiet race. It is a very quiet race. You know, it's it's like I think don't we have incumbents up there that have been there for like 120 years? Thirty years, thirty years, two incumbents. they're both they're both great in their own areas, and they have a lot of passion for agriculture and farming. I do think that If the approach to the way that we are receiving grants and funding continues, the way that we are educating people, if we don't start including homeowners in a way that we if we don't bridge that gap, I think that the decline of agriculture is going to continue in Johnson. How would you involve homeowners? So actually, so there's currently rain barrels and cisterns, which would help mediate the water issue, one from the county level, but also the issue of Depleting the resources for because all the infrastructure in the these farming communities, there might be water, but w when those water and that infrastructure was built, they weren't built with residential. Right up, yeah, using the same water source. Okay. So it depletes it. This helps increase it. So you're looking at like water pressure increases or allowing more supply. Are they cisterns and the rainwater collection? Is that an illegal thing right now? Or is it just not No, it's just not something that we fund through grants. in Johnson County, but there is grant funding available. I believe it's seventy five percent reimbursement to homeowners who want to do it up to seventy five percent. If I have a house, I could get a rain barrel or whatever and then water my garden with that instead of using municipal water. And you know what gave me like that idea was the fact that I was driving by Bojangles and this was during a drought and they're watering their grass. I'm like, why the hell is a corporate company watering their grass when we are at a water display? I mean come on. My God, they're They can afford a different approach. They can afford to have rain barrels. They can afford it. Why is it that you have people who can't afford their water bill? They can't afford what's happening. And these the we're living and having to pay higher fees. And then they're over here using something to water grass, which I understand, but like our farmers need water too. It it's not very I mean, I I always wonder with the car washes and stuff that you know when we 'cause I think right now Cumberland County we're in a drought. Yeah. is Johnson County in the same space. We're we finally I think we hit the watershed level. So we're we're good. We're good. Or not watershed, water table, sorry. But we're good. I know what you're talking about. Even if you didn't say it. We're we're good and I say good, but I mean are we really good? No. We don't have enough we don't have enough in reserves to like if something happened to be substantially beneficial. What else with soiling water gets in your crawl? So basically is your number one priority to get Homeowners involved and or is there another priority that also gets at you? There's definitely the soil purification that I want to do, which historically for the soil contaminants levels, you take it, the soil that's contaminated, you move it. I don't want to do that. It's costly. People don't do it. That we usually measure things on yields, how much produce we get, how much growth. I want to look at the microbials in the soil, the contaminant levels. I want to measure it. I want to clean it up. I want to implement solutions that look at the soil as it is, monitor it, change it up, and then we actually know what's happening and make the soil better. What's the largest contamin? So down here Grace Creek, we have the PFAS issue that does extend all the way down. Yeah. It's everywhere. Yeah. Everything's so do y'all have a similar PFAS issue or is it some other contaminant? Well Everywhere is contaminated with PFAS. Right. Everywhere is contaminated. I mean, like, look, you're getting a downstream effect. Everything that like Helene, when it came through, all of the contamination, it eventually comes down to us, right? Yeah. And then we've had sewage spills, waste spills, like raw sewage spills that eventually ends up in our water basins or rivers or everything, you know, our wetlands. And then these things, these contaminants flow. And Then it goes to the wastewater treatment facility, which getting into that, like you have an uptake in the system, right? So you already have more contaminant levels higher. So how much contact time are they getting in that? And it's going back into the river to get cleaned and then go through the water purification. How much contact time is it getting? I don't know, Caitlin. Sounds you know a couple of three things about I d I I'm wow obsessed with it. Okay. A little bit. Yeah. I told you I was. I love water conservation because I I'm You've seen look at Camp Lejeune, what they did to that water. I mean, and you're talking about fifty years of bearing barrels, barrels of stuff that leash into the soil, to the water. And you're telling me that these contaminants in our water are not bad for us? You are crazy. I don't believe that for an instant. We threw a fit over fluoride, which fluoride was implemented in the water to make your teeth not brown. Just that's that's what it was 'cause people's teeth were rotten out of their mouth. That's why it was implemented. And I'm not for fluoride or against it. I think there's a lot of things. Anyway, but you cannot tell me that having lead and that having this overhaul onto our water, because it doesn't matter if people aren't tapping into sewage, because right now people can't tap into sewage in Johnston County. Not in every area, y some areas you I might need to be fact checked on that. But I know most places you can't. The county where I live, you can't. Everyone has Well the system's reaching capacity. That's not a so Utility infrastructure being deficient is not a unique to Johnston County. We have that here. Cumberland County, we have a five billion dollar pipeline of economic development, but where's infrastructure? We don't have the sewer, we don't have the water, so we can't capitalize on it right now. So we're gonna have to spend a couple billion. Yeah. You know, yeah, it's an expensive endeavor. Now Johnston County grew a hell of a lot. Huh. Yeah. In the last what would you say, five years, ten years? Five ten years, I think it was. We outperformed predictions. It was I think we were projected in twenty ten based on that census of ten percent growth, maybe at twelve point nine at most, but then we grew fifty nine point nine percent. Do you think we have the infrastructure to support that? No. We do not. We don't. it's very alarming the exponential growth that we've had. Mm-hmm. And I I say that from a the standpoint of to what end? We if we don't have the services and the needs are not being met, to what end do we continue the growth? And what is it doing? If we're willing to grow exponentially, what is that doing to our soil? What is that doing to our water? So you know, all this growth, growth, growth, growth. Okay. I'm envisioning strip centers with the food with the ubiquitous food line and Asian and Asian food and what else? Dollar General it's gotta be there. Yeah. what's another requirement? Nail salon. Yeah. Yeah, we do have that. Yeah, actually. Asian food. yeah. Yeah. A vape shop. Yeah. And a vape shop. Yeah. Gotta add all of those. Bad bad vapors. But so with all this growth, is there gonna be any soiling water left? Like what about farms in Johnson County? What's happening to those? So and I think that's what most people are fearful of. I know we've lost a lot of our farming. We have It there's a the generational issue of you have the generational farms where people want to continue farming and they want their family to continue in it. And then you have some of the younger generation who no longer want to do that because of how costly it is to farm. You don't get rich going and farming or farming in general. my grandpa, so I come from a long line of agriculture. My grandpa, his family dating back generations, they all farmed in Ammon, North Carolina, 'cause I'm originally from Bladen County. What did you all grow? Tobacca. Okay. But Backer. Tobacca. Backer. Okay. Backer. All right. yeah, actually my grandpa still has. So he moved back. He was a preacher in Fair Bluff, North Carolina and Saragordo, middle of nowhere towns, but loved Okay. he moved back and at his It was his mom and daddy's last house, but there's a tobacco bar and so whenever they were renovating and doing all the stuff, I get to go in there and I got to see like the drying racks and everything. And it was really cool to be immersed in just history. So that's what your family grew. What about Johnson County? What are the big aggregates? Sweet potatoes right now. Okay. Yeah. Sweet potato. Right now as seasonal? Or just well that's our biggest growth. That's just your biggest growth. I believe it's sweet potato. Yeah, I know that we're like, I believe the number two producers in the state. I know it's swished up a lot over the past 10, 15, 20 years. and if I could recite math correctly, some numbers I'm good at statistics, but sometimes I'm not because I can't I'm drawing a blanket back from the I won't remember it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love that. I'm really bad at numbers. Math is not my strong suit. Well, we do like a little humility in our elected officials. So if you're not good at something, we do appreciate when you do say it. Would you believe that I got I went so I did early college and high school and I went to early college for accounting. Do you wanna how I passed it? A hundred percent I cheated. I went a hundred percent then. Now keep in mind, this was when Blackboard, like you could do the questions, then you got a second chance and it was the same exact question. They don't do that now anymore. You can't cheat. But we did. okay. Work smarter, not harder. Yeah. Sounds like a well true politician. I love it. You know, give do what you gotta do. Yeah. So farmland in Johnson County though, you mentioned about the rainwater and things like that. Are we at risk of losing our way of life in John of your way of life in Johnson County? I fear that if things continue down this path, yes. But everyone talks about preserving our farmland, preventing like the you know, to mediate the issues from growth. Mm-hmm. But the definition of insanity technically is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different outcome. Mm-hmm. We're doing the same thing over and over again and we're expecting a different outcome. There is so much knowledge that I I'm I'll be the first to say I do not know because I Did not grow up. I'm the first generation to not have to go out and work the land. Like my mama even had to do it growing up. Okay. To for everyone to survive. Like it's I grew up in a completely different mindset, but I still the work ethic was still instilled into me. My grandpa still made sure to show me different things. Funny story, actually. So my granny had dementia and I went and stayed with them for a little bit. and one of the things like we did things together that she did growing up because her and my grandpa met. She used to work on his farm, his family's farm. And it's actually a really sweet love story. Okay. they met when they were younger. Her family worked on it. It was anyway, it was amazing. and then they ended up reconnecting later in later in life after she had my her children and he's my step grandpa, but he's raised me my entire life. And yeah. Family isn't always blood. Yeah. I love well, he's my grandpa. He's my papa Neil. Love him to death. but he peanuts. I didn't realize peanuts grew I knew they grew in the ground, but I didn't realize they were like you have to pull them up. Okay. I thought they came off and you picked them like strawberries. That is a true story. It is really Well how does I well look I'm not I'm only laughing kind of at you a little bit, but how's it work? Yeah. So well this is we pulled them up out the ground and we went and cleaned them up and made bored peanuts. And he taught me how to do it. So really a lot of the Older way of life, you know, shucking corn, doing the peas, green beans, everything like that. learning how to preserve, make jams and stuff. So can you cook? I can cook. I bake a lot. No, I am I am epitome of the perfect housewife. Okay. I have so many strong suits. Yeah, you heard her here first. Yeah, lock her down, guys. You might. You never know. So what what's your favorite dish that you liked? Well, come on, you've got kids, so you have to have like a go to emergency dish. Well, we we eat spaghetti like every week. Because they love that, all three of but I like to do country fried steak, surprisingly. Okay. I love it. And I can make gravy, but I use bacon grease. Because I'm southern. Well, that's what you're supposed to do with bacon grease. Why else do you save it? Exactly. Yeah. People and I don't do the packets of gravy or jar. I can't do it. I like to make it myself. Admittedly, I do that in an emergency. You're a man in an emergency. But I I do I do know how to cook a little bit. A little bit dabble in it. I didn't get to be healthy like this, eating you know, not my own cooking. So all right, we're gonna wrap it up a little bit. But the last thing, and I don't think this is a hard question for you. Yeah. When you went after your challenger in in the primary, what's the honest lesson you're carrying from that one? What did you really what do you feel like you learned and what do you say to Republicans who think you should have waited your turn? I say I will always risk it all on myself because I'm not gonna lose. I'll never lose. I live by the mindset you do it or you die. And you go after everything you want in life because tomorrow's not promised, you know. There is if there is anything that my life changed immensely the day I walked away from domestic violence. And at first I felt a lot of shame, carried a lot of guilt for what I lived with and I didn't want people to think I was a victim. I didn't want to share my story. I didn't want to advocate for things because I didn't want to be judged. And I faced a lot I still face a lot of harsh judgment. I don't care. I care about what matters, but at the end of the day, the views will always look different from the arena. Crit critics will say what they want to say, but could you ever do what I've done? That's the question I have to ask. Mm-hmm. Could you ever, are you capable of facilitating the same level of momentum? Are you capable of withstanding and overcoming time and time again? Because they did come after me internally, everything else. I got it from all sides. There will always be people who want to see you fail. There will always be reasons not to do something. The circumstances will never define your capabilities in life. And every reason not to is a reason to go after it. Because in one year, at twenty five, single mom of three, full time in college, I went from not knowing who I was as a person to completely changing the trajectory of my entire life because I risked it all on myself. And to get to that point, first I had to get saved. But that's it was all thanks to God. And that shifted that him him above all else. You when you have that kind of faith where you are solidified so much so that you know that anyone can judge me on this earth. But the only one that matters truly is when you're in front of his feet. Mm-hmm. That's it. Because he is the only one that can truly judge you. He knows your heart. You look at life differently. Everyone's gonna judge me. Everyone's gonna judge what I do. I do it anyway. Mm-hmm. I know. I know. We've yeah, we've had that discussion. The historic way people have campaigned, I mean, like everyone told me not to do it. I mean, you yourself, there were things that you told me not to do and but did it work? Did it work? Did work? I I think so. Looking back from the first time that we met, you know, you have done tremendously. And whether you listen to the guy with the gray hair or not, you're still doing pretty good. So thank you. Keep it up. Keep it up. I think that's what you need more of. People who listen and conform to everything. What everybody wants, they never win. They wait their turn. I don't wait my turn. If I want it, I'm taking it. So that's their forewarning. Okay. So if you want the last chicken wing on the plate, then You better grab it because you're gonna get it. Yeah. So yeah. All right. Well, I'll get the last wing. So where do don't fight me over taking weights, girl. so I don't think I'd feed that battle. I don't think we win that one. I you're not my weight class, girl. So where do people find you? So give us a website or whatever. So my company that I have. So I actually, after I lost my primary, I ten days later, like. Literally ten days. I launched Mark Strategic Consulting, LLC. So started my own company for political consulting that's kind of morphed into I mean, it is just my baby. It is everything that a candidate needs. I wanted so badly to have something that I went to one service and they had it all for me. I mean, and we get it all. We have it all. We do graphics, we do messaging, we do strategy, all that stuff. We build your website out. We put everything together for you. But right now, we actually today are in the beginning stages of launching campaign HQ and Advocacy HQ, which are all proprietary to Mars Strategic Consulting, L C mine. my own company. And I that I am so proud. I've worked so hard for it. You definitely didn't take you did not take a breath, is what what I recall. You can't. So what's the website for that? Marstrategic Consulting dot com. That's our so right now we're in this shifting page of we have we're redoing and rebranding and restructuring everything for us to have the campaign HQ and then the advocacy HQ. So campaign HQ is going to be we're gonna do canvassing. We're gonna have all your canvassing stuff that materials you need. We're going to have your messaging and SMS. We're gonna have your email messages, we're gonna have everything that you need. We have our own database that we are building to with Connections. We this is so revolutionizing. People watching, if you haven't run for office, I think what you you're not understanding why Caitlin's so excited. as a candidate, there is no help from the party. There is no help from the the magic money of the GOP or the grant, you know, whatever. You're on your own. So what you're talking about is a turnkey, one stop shop campaign in a box. Exactly. Just Get your volunteers and do the work. You do the work. You have to because I'm not going the one thing, I am exclusive. I am elusive. You have to you have to want it. It's not and it goes back to the saying, it's not what you want because everyone wants something. Everyone wants a seat. But you have to want it bad enough. Is how bad do you want what you want? You have to work for this. Because I I think that that's well honestly I think it's the beauty of the Republican Party is because we don't just not work for things. We are go getters. Because statistically speaking, I should not have been able to do what I've done. And I've done it. And that's why I'm Republican. Because I don't want handouts. I wanna I work for it. I work my butt off. Keep work. Yeah, you still got some of it left. So but advocates hang on. What about campaign website? my campaign website. Hello. Voteforgoose.com. Vote for vote for number. We did number this time. Vote for goose. Okay. Okay. And you know, come on, guys, you you need to work for it and go search it, but I will put the links in the in the deal. So well that's this week's special session with Caitlin Marsh on the record and why she's running for soil and water supervisor after a primary you didn't win. We'll have more from candidates you won't see anywhere else all the way to November third. The newsletters of the website, and that's the best way to catch these before the Monday show. See you Monday night. Thank you. Thank you for being here.