Show #193 - Joe Bailer’s Plans for Sheriff, Jail Reform, and Youth Mentoring

Peter Pappas: Well, everybody, good evening and welcome back to the Carolina Cabinet. I'm your host, Peter Pappas in studio with Mrs. Laura Musler. Hello, hello. Pastor Joshua Goodman. Greetings, family. Good to see you again, sir. Good to be back. And Mr. Joe Bailer running for Cumberland County Sheriff. Yes, Boy, God bless you. So, ⁓ well, let's just jump right in. So, Mr. Bailer, tell us a little bit about yourself and let's get to how and why you're running for sheriff. My uh, Cumberland County resident. My dad retired here back in early eighties. I actually went to school right at the street of Mary MacArthur, started my sixth grade year there. Okay. Okay. So was my, you know, welcome into Fayetteville. Okay. Um, after that we moved up to Hope Mills, went to Southview, uh, for a little while. And then, uh, finally went to Oak Hill Academy where I graduated from a college prep school. Okay. And we talked about that before the show. So Oak Hill is not a military place. It is not. It's just a college co-ed. Yeah, okay build players there Somebody playing guitar with one of these things, okay ⁓ So do you play ⁓ you play sports? did not you did not wasn't that good to make the team they ⁓ okay, ⁓ so ⁓ you graduated ⁓ military service or ⁓ went up to Greenville after I Tried retail didn't like retail too much East Carolina area and then I decided I need to go ahead and follow my dad's footsteps and Going to the military. Okay. So when did you join up? Back in 92, 91, 92 timeframe. Okay. Okay. What'd you do in the military? I was a military policeman. Oh, yeah. guess. Go figure. Got to do a lot of good things. Yeah. Okay. So we've had, well, fortunately, whatever. We've had other candidates that were military police before. Sure. So how, how does that translate into sheriff department? Sure. Well, with me, it's quality of life. Okay. There's what I experienced as a dependent on military installations and wherever my dad went to. And then what I was able to give as military police and what I started taking over, you know, doing the patrol work. Okay. Laura. Oh, I thought you were. I'm listening. I'm listening to you. I heard a, you know, like you heard it say something. I'm trying to breathe. That's all. How long, how long did you serve? 14 years. was in the medical, retired. Okay. And then, um, uh, post retirement. post-retirement. started a little part-time over at San Jose Community College. I was actually training inmates to train service dogs for the world. Oh, how cool. That must have been a blast. It was. It kind of feeds off my military training. So my last six, eight years, was a military police canine. OK. So down in South America, I got to run the dogs to the jungle after the cartel. Oh, wow. So I can have you come over and help train my dog. Yes, ma'am. My dog. You've not met her dog. My dog listens to me, but doesn't listen to anybody else, but doesn't listen like I want. ⁓ but okay. I'm going to call you on that. So you were one of the people that tried to be appointed or applied to be appointed. Yes, ma'am. ⁓ and when Sheriff Wright decided to, ⁓ I'm just going to let him talk. Okay. So, but Sheriff Wright, ⁓ retired early and there was a vacancy and you were one of. Like eight, weren't there like seven or eight people? Okay, so how many of them came back for the job when it was time to file? So just you? ⁓ and that was appointed? they appointed, but he's the appointed, so I would expect that. So they wanted get in under the wire without having to run? Right. No, that's not true. No, there's all kinds of issues on why other people didn't run. I'm just joking. I'm totally joking. It's a common practice. I mean, by Sheriff Wright and then Sheriff Butler before him, he was actually kind of I say anointed. Well, didn't LaRue win them? No, he was a deputy at one time, but he never actually was here. But there's a time where that's great, but you have to break the chain sometimes and bring in actual change. to use that word change because a lot of people use it in a... It scares people when you're saying What do you want to change? The mindset. How are you going to do that? So I was, since I've been in this position I'm currently at, and I'm the director of public safety at FableTech, I was actually called out to the white house in 2016, for the 21st century policing symposium. While it was there, got to meet sheriffs, ⁓ agies and police chiefs from around the United States. And we talked about how police are supposed to work and they build it off six pillars. It's pretty simple. It's there. It's a template. If you use it the right way, then you're able to solve a lot of the issues that I see currently in this administration. Okay. All right. Can you any examples or is that like, we're not allowed to talk about it? No, just the legitimacy of the police. mean, who respects the police now? Nobody. You have to build that trust with the community. Doesn't that start in the home? It does start in the home, but it also starts with getting out of the office or having your leadership get out there into the community and say, hey, what can we do for you? Listen is the big thing. So I, my son, just to give a little background, was murdered in his home in Hope Mills. ⁓ he had gotten busted for selling weed younger, went to jail for it for a bit. And he would express to me his hopelessness because he had a record. So I wanted to make a change. And I'm saying that these young kids that get busted or whatever like that, why not bring them aboard like the police and like show them the other side of here's what you could be doing and start recruiting some of these kids that are quote unquote problem children or whatever. There's got to be a program that we can, because these, my son didn't had a father after he was seven years old. But prior to that, in his young formative age, he didn't have a dad. And that's part of the problem. My fault, all my fault. I agree. There are mentorship programs out there. I've actually talked to one of the gentlemen over at Massey Hill area about bringing this one to become sheriff, bringing the deputies over there to assign them kids to mentor. See, that to me would be a fantastic idea. That's something that you can run on and be like, I want to be in the community mentoring the children that don't have dads. They all have dads, but present Mental health, both for the officers and for who they're responding to. That's a big priority of mine also. I got to go through crisis negotiation class with one of the biggest names in house and crisis negotiations. you write a book? Jack. Jack Cambria. Very good friend of mine. He's in my phone. Really? Yes. Learned a lot from him. behind me a hundred percent of what I'm doing now. But he was a great man that explained a lot of things to me. And I know that I can bring what he was talking about to the table. He's one of the people I was actually going to come in and bring in to consult with as far as fixing some of the issues that we have here. Okay. So now your number one issue when you get into office, what's the first thing that you would do within the first 30, 60, 90 days? I've taken care of the jail. I think the jail right now it's in disarray. It's not safe for the inmates and it's definitely not safe for the officers if it's not safe for the inmates. So get that up to standard because if we're going to house somebody, it needs to be safe for both sides. ⁓ And I think, you know, I don't want to fill it by any means. Right. There are other places within the community that can help us with non-violent crime, diversions, things like that. You know, I'm all about that. Is it a staffing issue or is it a process issue right now? It's a little bit of both. The staffing issue, I believe there are 70. plus officers down in just the jail or the whole jail area. I was told that there's one or two officers working a shift, having six or seven pods that they're responsible for that. to me is what's coverage supposed to be. There should be, I would assume two per pod. I don't know their actual schedule that they have, but when you're down that low, you know, you do what you can. Okay. But at the same time, I've built into my recruitment, what I'm going to do to make that jail a a better place to work or place it. What's a pod? How many people are we talking? They could have anywhere from 10 to 25, I believe in a, in a pod. one deputy would have how many pods? Six up to six, six pods where they have to go through and feed them, feed the inmates. Sure. Things like that. Wow. So six deers. they're just like, that's crazy. that alone is scary. You know, having that one person there. Yeah. Yeah. Haven't forbid something actually happened. And this is one thing that I've heard, you know, I haven't seen it directly, but I've just heard the stories. ⁓ but yes, it's very low in the jail. No one wants to work in the jail. It's not a friendly place. It's not a good place, but the way I'm going to design it is it's going to be, it's going to filter you from the jail into the sheriff's department. If that makes sense. Okay. So kind of a, ⁓ what is it earning their stripes, of get you in there and staff it up. staff it up, there's going to be up-and-rope ability within the jail. And there's going to be up-and-rope ability once you get out into the courthouse or patrolling. So how do you feel about women? My son was a correctional officer for a period of time. Okay. My youngest son and the women in the jail, he said he could not stand working with the women because wait, I'm woman so I can say this. aren't allowed to say this, but women would instigate or be flirting with or have an issue with one of them inmates and they would write a check that their butt could not cash. So my son being on the cert team would have to come in and he's like, I'm putting my life at risk because this woman is flirting with, has an issue with, or is talking crap to these guys. How do you feel? I think women should be over women and men should be over men. End of story, full stop. I wish you'd be that way. When you have low numbers, you have to- Well, at this point, yes, for anybody. at the same time, there's a standard there. And if they can't uphold the standard, then they won't be working for me at all. Let me ask you, is the ⁓ low numbers, is it due to financing? Is it due to pay? Well, what is what are low numbers due to? So pays a small part of it. The industry alone, ⁓ whether it's security, policing, the jail or low across the whole United States, no one wants to be the police. Defund the police. Wasn't that a slowdown sometime? Yeah, I mean, it's because I would think if you're ⁓ wanting to be an officer that I don't and I could be naive and so I apologize for that but the safest perhaps even the easiest job would be in the detention center. way. You don't think so? No it's very dangerous in detention center. What? You're in there and you don't have any weapons you have nothing you're in there just man-to-man. Mono, I'm sorry, I don't mean talk for you, but yeah. I used to be scared my son would go to work. ask you more now and just find out. I'm sorry. But yeah, what sort of dangers do officers in detention areas face? Attacks from inmates. Okay. It's probably the biggest assaults from inmates. And they don't have, again, naive, never been to jail, hope never to go, but they don't carry weapons, batons. They carry asp. I'm sorry, pepper spray. Pepper spray, okay. Yeah, some guys brush their teeth with that, you know, so that's not... And meanwhile, the inmates are sitting there sharpening their toothbrushes and they're making weapons. Do you see that level of violence in detail? Again... I've heard of the violence in there. I don't know when he's died, ⁓ but I know people have been assaulted. Really? Okay. Because I picture that, I mean, again, I'm basing this on movies, not on real life. But I picture that in ⁓ like state penitentiaries, not in detention centers. Detention centers is kind of the, I'm going say purgatory. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're in the in between no mans land. Yeah. And especially if you have a lifer in there, you know, they have no reason to do the right thing. Okay. That just blows my mind that you would have a lifer in a detention center. What, They came in there from the courthouse and they just got life. Gotcha. They have no reason to. Yeah. Or they made an appeal and so they're there. They're just being in holding. Okay. Along with a penitentiary, you're in there with people that you don't necessarily know. If you're in Cumberland County detention, that's my neighbor over there. That's my homey. ⁓ I don't like him because he dated my ex. What? And there's a lot of, ⁓ disputes. Okay. Yeah. That makes more sense. Like I said, I, I used to get scared as heck when my son would go to work. I would like, Please call me the moment that you're out of jail or at prison. He worked at the prison. It takes a certain mentality to be in there. Just like with my old job, I was a bomb dog. Cool. Every time I walked through the door, I didn't know if I was coming back. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. See, that's too much. High stress, high stress job. High stress wife. I had his off to your wife. Like, my gosh. Yeah. How nerve wrecking that would be because I know how I felt with my child because I'd already lost one and. for him to go work. So I cannot imagine your wife every day thinking, he coming home? Right. That's scary. Yeah. And all volunteer. We do this on our own. Yeah. Right. Is it, is it feasible to bring change to, to the system again? ⁓ both Laura and I have, have children who, are no longer with us. Who are no longer with us and because of, you know, things that they did. And my child spent a deal of her last couple of years ⁓ in detention centers, both in Carverland and Hoke County. ⁓ What I saw ⁓ was a very broken system. And ⁓ I hope there can be change, but feasibly is that even The impossible. think it is with the community being able to work with community with the nonviolent crimes and narcotics and the users are using it as a nonviolent crime. Yeah. Getting into the right resources, understanding what the resources are there for and educating the officers to see that they need the resource. Yeah. the young people that want to make change that wants to do better, but they're like, well, now I have a record. I've been in jail. No one outside wants to give them a chance. What better way to say, Hey, if you clean up and you take this program or whatever, you can help fight crime another way. And what better? No, I agree. I mean, currently our district attorney, Billy West has a program where they do expungements. Right. It works really good. It gives you that second chance at clean slate. So if you do the right things after, right. You know, can, you can get the clean slate. Yeah. Yeah. It's a long road to get in an expungement though. takes many years and sometimes the kids become despondent before they can get that far. you think about it, 10 years or eight years for a young person, that's almost half their life. Yeah, that's a lifetime. So that's, they can't see that eight years for me is just a of the eye. But that was yesterday. Those of us old folk. Yeah. Um, yeah. But to young kids, somebody who's 18 or 19, 20 years old, that's, that's like you said, it's a lifetime. And they're like, All their friends are getting jobs or moving on going to college and they can't even get a job at the local BP. So we have to find something better to work with our young folk because our young folk are, losing more and more of them. So after the detention center, what other things, what other areas ⁓ need to have change? So the legitimacy of the sheriff's department. Yeah. Getting out there with the neighbors, Spring Lake, all the different areas that a Steadman area, you know, that even Grace Creek where I live, you know, I very rarely see a deputy. Yeah. And I, again, they're short staffed on the road also. How many sheriffs on the road are we missing? A lot. A lot. Does anybody have like official numbers on that? I mean, is there, I know it's probably a confidential, we don't really want people to know, but. What I saw when I Googled it was 177 for the entire administration. That was the jail. That's how many were short. Yeah. The jail, the road, the courthouse and the road, which if you look at overall, there was over 750 people as part of the sheriff's department. I think they all swarmed or not all sworn. That was not okay. See, the only place that I'd really want to work is courthouse. I don't want to go in the jail. I don't want to work the roads. The roads scare me. I'd worked. I'd work the jail house every day. That's the pastor in me. just, want the, yeah. I'll stay away from the jail because I don't know how to do taxes. want to the courthouse. That's all I know about jail. I'm good with the courthouse. That's the only one I'd do that in a minute because I love being in the courthouse. I love watching our judicial system. I think it's, there is something wrong with me. I am a dweeb. That's why you're here. That's exactly right. But you can count on me. so you were saying seven 20 is the total, uh, administration of staff and they're a hunt. 727 50, I believe is okay. they're 170 short because that's like that's sworn and non-sworn. Yeah. So there's a lot of what are the non-sworn officers do? So you have non-sworn that may work your CSI type units, things like that. Or just administrative. Okay. Yeah. I'd have to ask Peter the math on that, but that's like 25, 20, 20%, 20%. Yeah. Sure. that's a Google number. That's when I look, when I Google, yeah. Google, sometimes, you know, we talk about the favor police or the sheriff's department. think sometimes we don't want the bad guys to know exactly how many people. So there is some, the bad guys are listening to the Keller on the cabinet to find out many officers in low places. true. That is true. I remember the leader's got a guy, you know, so they always come to me. ⁓ but all right. So we have the jail is a problem. We have the road, maybe a different path to expungement and some path forward for the guys that are in detention. What's and then staffing. mean, look, we grew up in the eighties, you know, F the police. That was a funny song. Now people are turning over police cars and burning them. So, know, how do we, unless the magic wand in the United States just stroked a clean brush and said police should be revered again. What can you do? Well, we live next to the largest military station in the world. There's all kinds of resources there to be. Cumberland County residents become deputies. There's other ways of getting deputies from other places, other recruitment techniques. ⁓ I just don't think the effort's been put in the way it should be. Okay. When I was in the military, I'm gonna go a little bit further back. Growing up, I used to watch a show called Swat. I don't know if you're familiar with that. yeah. Sing that again. ⁓ We're not going to elect him because of the singing. So, ⁓ when watching that show growing up, I always wanted to be that guy. I think every boy, every little girl that maybe wanted to be in that industry, was their picture of police and they were respected and they showed up and they took care of business. Come full circle. Now I'm down in South America. I'm part of a 25 man, ⁓ SRT or special reaction team and LA SWAT comes down to train with us. And then I got to train in LA SWAT. So I'm training the elite. So what does that make me? The elite of the elite. Right. So, and then I went full circle. was like, okay, I understand why I'm here. And that's when I started looking, believe it or not, towards when I come home, what I wanted to do when I was the sheriff. So I'm in the room with the elite of the elite. I feel special. who trains the elite. You show up every Monday. There's some elite over here. All right. So what makes you a good boss? I listen. And Jack Cambria taught me a lot of things. I went through his class years ago, but listening is the biggest thing. ⁓ Listening and taking action on what they ask for. So, so I'm curious, being your neighbor at fable tech, have the restaurant right across the street. ⁓ visited some, what's the, ⁓ few times. Yeah. What is the biggest issue? Like, what are y'all right into as a big, as problems over there at fable tech? What's the, Being the second or third largest, I don't have a problem out there. That's the good thing. My, I can tell you my crime stats for last year, I had seven larcenies. Okay. Wow. Okay. That's zero. you, yeah, that's, that's, that's, yeah, it's nothing. Someone leaving their laptop down or leaving whatever they had, or whatever. How many students? mean, how big of a yearly over 30,000. Okay. So 30,000. Now I have, are fully staffed? No. Again, in my, where I'm at is the same. Yeah. So are you down 20 % just like, right around 15, 20%. Are you budgeted for those officers? You just can't hire them? Yes. So nobody's tried to claw back your budget yet? No. Saying we're not going to fund an empty position. They understand public safety. can tell you that. They're very proactive with me. Okay. And is the overall understaffing, it again, man? It's the industry. It's just, who wants to do it, man. I know a lot of guys want jobs. And I would, I I love that kind of stuff. I'm too old. 57 years old. Nobody's going to You gotta go to the police academy though. Do you really? think it would be like, I couldn't do a push up to save my life. think her going through police academy now would be like Steve Gutenberg back in the day. It'd be a fun, fun episode. Yeah. ⁓ I'm laughing already. So, all right. So you've got about 30,000 students filtering in and out of there. but one thing from, from COVID, I don't think we ever ⁓ was. How many of those kids are actually on campus now? ⁓ the campuses are full now. If you look at the parking lots. So Monday's and Wednesdays. there's 30,000 bodies throughout the year there? I think throughout the year, yes sir. I just feel like we've gone online for so many courses that there's some people that don't even need to show up to With our similar new programs at the nursing program where they can't go online for that, the parking lots get packed. Yeah. In my experience as students, have going, ⁓ it's a hybrid. where they go online twice a week and then three days a week they're in class or vice versa, but they are there, you know, with only some classes being done online. just it's one of those things. It's like the new normal, guess. We need to get them off campus to eat some Baldinos. Anyway, I need to get over there to Baldinos and have some Baldinos. Well, you you've been absent. have been, but I'm coming back. You'll have a special order next Monday. We'll make sure you're tied up. Jim, if you're watching, you know. Make a note. Make a note. Make I'm just like making him do all these things. Take a note. Take a note. It's another note. Okay. So larceny is not a big deal over at Fayetteville Tech. You have seven in a year or something. You got fights. And you want to bring that success to Cumberland County. I make a big presence on campus. I'm everywhere. And the same thing I'm to do when I'm sheriff. You're going to see me everywhere. You're probably sick of seeing me because I'm out so much. I make sure that when someone does have an incident, minor incident, maybe medical incident or something, I go in and check on them personally. Okay. You know, would go out to our sports teams. Yeah. I make a big presence around campus and I think that's what is missing also in the county is you never see anybody out there. So if you become sheriff, uh, well we look forward to the Joe Bailer hour, like on tick-tock where was the sheriff Brady jug from Florida gets on there and says this dumb dumb, this, I, I, will, will, will set you up right here. little studio. would be phenomenal. A little theatrical, but you know, I like the point across. Yeah, definitely does. He's like, you try to do this in Florida? Yeah. Well, you know, if you Google Florida man, no brother and your birthday, that's, there's something every day with Florida, but how would you, how would you be seen? I mean, cause it's going to be a little tough for you to get to every misdemeanor crime scene, but or whatever you understand. mean, there's a lot that goes on in this County. have 300,000 plus residents. So, um, would you Do you feel good about online YouTube and in front of the media? That's going to be part of it. I don't mind the media, but I'm going to be out there physically. I think that makes a big difference. Okay. Being out there and engaging with everyone. And I treat everyone the same. treat everyone as if they're the president of the United States. If that makes sense. get that. don't want to that from depends on the president. I going to say, yeah, I give them that. Okay. Well, I think you just give respect. Sure. Just you put it out there to get it back. That's right. ⁓ I definitely feel in the last 10 years that our Sheriff's Department has been kind of like, if something bad happens, I don't want to see your PIO. Yeah. I want to see you. That's right. And I'm not for the faint of heart, but I, as a resident, want to know that you know about it. You can speak about it and I'm going to be okay. And I don't have to lock and load myself that night. That's right. Which I think you should always carry. I was going say I'm already locked in love. I don't understand. are you talking about? night? Everybody where I go. We're going to do, Hey, who's carrying in this room? Yeah. So my people know, dude, it's like, they're pastors here. We're Yeah. We're just missing the, they don't even ask me anymore. It's like, no, yeah. Always. Yeah. Well, ⁓ George Carlin has the line. He says, you know, I'm waiting for guns in church. That's like, well think about. There's so many George Carlin lines that have come to fruition. He's been dead probably 15, 20 years. And if you watch some of his old stuff, it's like, what's crazy. Like if you come to Clifto, some of the most demure looking individuals, it's not just the big, you know, burly guy. No, it's, it's that little old lady who you have no idea. You've got some scrappers in that church. That's what I tell my mom. My mom carries her gun in her purse and I'm like, Get it out of your purse. Put it on your body. Somebody that comes by and runs and grabs your purse or wear it on the outside because I'm sorry as a bad guy and I see a lady walking and she's packing a big old weapon like you have. I'm not messing with, I'm going to pick that lady that I think it's in her purse and we'll grab her purse. don't know. See, I always remember there was some, uh, I was getting ready to say something bad. There were some not very high functioning humans in best buy and some guy that was open carrying was bending down, looking at something. And these two other individuals stuck up behind him, grabbed his gun and ran out. That's stupid for not having a holster. Yeah, holstered, but still. So that's why I like carrying concealed. I carry concealed too. I want to be a surprise. you know, I like only always sometimes. tell me this. So. Cumberland County Sheriff's Department, you're talking about a huge organization, right? ⁓ the organizational aspect being far more than just putting bad guys in jail. ⁓ Are there changes you would hope to bring to that side of it? And ⁓ again, no offense. Are you up to the job? I don't, I, cause I don't know that I am, you know, if somebody said, Hey, I want you to go in and bring about, know, wouldn't have signed my name on a piece of paper if I wasn't there. Okay. I am going to ask for a lot of community outreach. I believe that the community, you know, that's, that's probably the foundation of getting a lot of things taken care of. That's everybody wants to fix things with money. understand people need to pay for what they do, but sometimes it's something simple, simple as someone stepping up and just doing the job. far behind are we with ⁓ deputy pay versus our neighbors and Robeson and Blayton surrounding? So there was just another jump in my understanding and I've for the city to be above a bit now. So the city worked on what they call compression. You had new people being hired that were getting paid more than their sergeant. So they had to adjust. Now everybody had to catch up. Has the sheriff's department done that? my knowledge, no. Okay. Um, and I do have a plan to, and it's going to be part of the jailer system working your way up. Um, also that education is going to play a part in how much you get paid. Okay. Um, I'm not going to have a deputy out there who doesn't have at least a two year degree. And what about like military members that they've been military? Let's whatever, do they get some kind of credit? Because I know that You come in and you've been, let's say a military police officer and you've done all of this stuff. And then you come in and you're at the bottom of the line, the back of the board on running for the, that's not, not that it's not fair. I don't care. Not fair. This person that why would I come to work for you if you're to put me at the back when I have all of this experience next to this guy who doesn't even know. just, he just literally graduated police academy and you've been, it's going to be based on skill set. Okay. If that makes sense. Um, of course everybody's going to have to go through the. basic law enforcement training. ⁓ currently in there right now in North Carolina doesn't accept all military police training where you can lateral and just challenge them. We'll let us challenge, which I wish they would, ⁓ make things. So have to do to do that? So you go through be let, ⁓ that's sponsored through the sheriff's department where they pay you. it a, is it a change in the legislature? I think is what she's saying. Like more of those military credit credits, credit transfer. It's a legislature. They've just increased it to close to 900 hours right now for BLT, which is about five months. training. Um, it was three and half to four months. Um, and I think it was 200 hours that they gave military, which is not a lot. Right. much would, so, okay. So they only get 200 hours against the 910 be like, that's my understanding. So shouldn't they be given like almost all of it? Um, I think they should be the given the ability to challenge it. They can say, here's my resume. Right. So if I came from another state, say Georgia, And I wanted to challenge the test. ⁓ The only thing I would have to do is go to statutes, meaning, cause I don't know North Carolina statutes versus Georgia, which is maybe a hundred hours of class. That would make sense to me. Yeah. That makes perfect sense to me because when I go around the world, I have to know all the laws of the country I'm some in. Yeah. When I, if I was ever stationed here, which I was never at Fort Bragg, I retired out of Fort Benning, but I had to know all the Georgia laws. Okay. Okay. So why wouldn't Why can't I challenge that? You see a path to possibly advocate for or... I do. I mean, we have a pretty good delegation for this area at the state Senate and state house. I think... Well, look at it. the international police chiefs of... international police chiefs, they have actually said that MPs are the same as everyone else, that they're true law enforcement. I mean, that's so silly to me because... I've got, I know several MPs and again, no shade on local law enforcement, but you're talking about individuals who have operated. It's different level. Internationally. Correct. And that's what, that's one of things I try to explain to people when I come into the table. I've been everywhere from a $10,000 plate dinner with the president of United States to the jungles in Panama next to the DEA agent. So you just can't, you know, deactivating bombs. mean, like, finding them, finding them. yeah, but it's still being a part of that, that, that, I think somehow though, to me, a military MP, ⁓ an MP, ⁓ maybe needs some more soft skills for dealing with a community because as an MP, you're very, ⁓ command oriented. I'm in a foreign country and But the my engagement are way different. So paramilitary. you know, it's the same with them. It's not that they can't learn it. It's just, I want the guy that just came from having a rules of engagement that says if it moves, shoot it to, you know, some community. I don't think that the rules say if it moves, shoot it. We do have LNO. We do have law enforcement. Oh, okay. You have your own thing. Okay. I'm sure. Bear with me. I'm a sandwich maker. But, uh, you know, I just, it's not that the MPs don't have. personality. It's just like policing a community of equals. all citizens, right? You know, versus you're deployed overseas and everybody has to listen to When we're deployed, say when I was in South America, Central America and Panama, I worked to law enforcement duties as well as the combat, if that made sense. ⁓ so we, we, can handle it. It's not out of your scope of what you can do. It's just, I would think we need some, ⁓ And I can understand what you're saying. Yeah. Just make sure that we have a little finesse. to demilitarized. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe in today's day and age, we don't need that finesse. Maybe we need the, oh, did you, you were on the show when I said, I can't remember which, uh, candidate I was speaking. I think it was cheap, right. Actually. I told him, said, I I said, I'm going to, if I get elected, I'm going to help pass a law that says you can turn your body camera off after two minutes being yelled at. And then you can turn it on when the ambulance shows up to pick up the person, the sovereign citizen or whatever wants to give you absolute lip. ⁓ but yeah, that he didn't agree. That's yeah, that's personal. feelings there. But, ⁓ all right. So you're going to be more visible. Yes, sir. Is your idea. You're going to staff the jail. You're gonna work on the compression community programs, community programs. ⁓ now Are you starting from scratch, you think with the community programs or is that something you're going to augment? there. There's some there. just think there's needs to be a little bit more brought to the table. All right. Do you have any, uh, are you a lone wolf or do you have a network of people that can help and come in and I have a network of people. Um, and they've, they're all ready for me to be the sheriff. can tell you they're very, they're biting at the bit from all around the world. Okay. Um, to come in, I'm not going to go into chop heads. I'm going to come in there, evaluate, see what I have. and solve that issue. sometimes you go in there chopping heads and that's not the right thing. You might be just a great sheriff, just not in the position that you're in. So let's talk with you and find out where you need to be. Exactly. Yeah. That's, and that's what I plan to do. I'm not trying to go in there and just, I don't have an agenda. If that makes sense. don't hold a, an alliance to anyone. I'm the only outlier here. Not for nothing too. You get four years if you get in there. I mean, you got four years, you got to prioritize what you can. really get done. Yeah, get done in that four years. That really 30, 60, 90 days. That's not, mean, that's why we'd measure the president for a hundred days, right? Right. You know, so you've got a heck of a road to hoe ahead of you. ⁓ so with that, did you just call him a hoe? Yeah, I'm still, I definitely do. Everybody that knows that I'm the hoe in this room. I know I'm gonna have I'm gonna my presence is gonna have to be back made known on the Carolina cabinet the pastor is back. No, he left me to my own device. Yeah, no that that was a bad decision I still still have not dropped the f-bomb in over 130 episode. Yeah, yeah I was gonna say you dropped it on air What happens Vegas type of yeah So well, Joe, Mr. Bailer, tell us campaign wise. Did you submit Facebook and all that stuff to us? I don't remember. did not. didn't give you the link. OK, so I want to contribute to your campaign. How do I do it? So to a Facebook has the link to my website, which is my website is www.joebaylorforsheriff.com. B-A-I-L-E-R. Yes, ma'am. Is that number four or four? Four. F-O-R. All right. Number four. Joe Bailer, number number four. Four. Four. Four, four, four, four. Oh, you're going to confuse them. Jim, make sure you put it up. Yeah, we'll put it up. Yeah. they're making notes. They're just of my education out the window. I can spell four. It's getting too late for So you have Facebook, you have a website. Um, okay. Very good. Very good. Well, good luck to you, sir. And hopefully you'll come back and see us. I will. Well, I'm sure if I come back and say, no matter what, I want you back. know you're very impressive. I'm impressed if I made it. And I'm looking for the dog training. Again, I have harped on this, but having run for office, I think it's important no matter what happens that we still show up for our community. That's right. In some shape or form, whether that may hurt or hinder some people, that's too bad. But if you're willing to put your name on a ballot, I appreciate that. And I hope to see you no matter what happens. Yep. All right. And with that, everybody, I think it's been a long enough night. Oh my gosh. issues and Laura's about to die. pretty much. Please check out our website, YouTube, the Carolina cabinet.com. We're everywhere. find us, Google it. Come on. And we do have, I think about 30 or 40 new followers today. Yay. Yeah. Have I told you I'm sick? Yeah. She's ready to wrap it up. All right. Well, we're going to get out of here and y'all have a good evening. Thank you very much. Good night. you.