Show #185- Senate Candidate Don Brown and Young Republicans Leader Roman Gutierrez Join the Cabinet

Peter Pappas: Well, everybody, good evening and welcome to the Carolina Cabinet. I'm Peter Pappas. I'll be your host this evening. We're proud to be the only homegrown conservative talk radio show in the region. And we know this is the smartest hour of radio. Our job is to give a voice to the conservatives of Fayetteville, Cumberland County and beyond. This evening, we welcome host Mrs. Laura Musler. Hello, hello. see you. Good to be seen. Good to be seen. Pastor Goodman will be joining us in several weeks, but he's taking a little break right now. I want to welcome our special guest, Mr. Roman Gutierrez, the newly appointed or anointed or elected, of all untold or elected leader of the Cumberland young Republicans. And joining us a little bit later on in the show will be Mr. Don Brown running for US Senate for North Carolina. And we look forward to hearing from him this evening. As we dive into our show, I appreciate everybody tuning in and spending time with us this evening. Please take a moment to like, share, or follow us on Facebook and look for us at The Carolina Cabinet. You can find links to all of our shows and listen to us on your favorite podcast broadcaster. So with that, here we go. So Laura. Yes. Nice to see you after a week. It's, can't believe, I think I've remarked already, it's been only a week. I know it like a lot longer. It really does. um, Tonight, we're going to unpack three stories that reveal how fast American politics are shifting. ⁓ Number one, we have the local elections. We want to break those down. Second, we're going to talk about New York electing the most democratically socialist looney tunes ever. there was a democratically socialist. ⁓ Lord, these guys there. I just say looney tunes. New York is going to soon become the epitome of F.A. and F.O. because they're in the F.O. of the F.A. part. And in Virginia, Republicans that nominated Winston Earl Sears, black conservative woman for governor. The Democrats beat her decisively while framing the race around ideology of representation. One of the first times I think Obama went and stumped for against the white or the black woman. Yeah. Yeah. So that should be, I shouldn't talk about. So, ⁓ you want to dive right in and let's talk about what you've been up to the last week since the elections. mean, did you take a break? ⁓ not really. We had ⁓ state executive committee meeting yesterday, ⁓ Saturday. for the Democratic socialists? No, they're the Republicans. I'm not a Democrat. All right. So the Republicans got together and had a little statewide. Yes. Statewide thing. And it was, I thought it was, I left there feeling great, positive. They were talking about how we've been divided in the past, but let's, you know, come together now. Let's start moving forward in a positive direction. Leave all that nastiness behind. And I was like, yes, I agree. Wholeheartedly. was like, nobody can take anything negative away from this meeting. Well, not everybody because they've already posted on Facebook. How divisive. And you know what's funny is it never even occurred to me that there were two, negative Nellie's shall I say, ⁓ behind me. I mean, I knew that they were there, but we didn't talk about them. We didn't think about them. I was paying attention to what was going on. And lo and behold, when I come home, I'm like, I love that I take up so much real estate in their brain. I think it's so flattering and so awesome, but they're talking about how we were whispering and laughing. discussed this though. We take up so much room in the real estate of their brains, but it's more like owning a penthouse in a section eight rundown apartment in Detroit, Michigan. ⁓ I mean, it's not exactly prime real estate. I mean, you it's not, I think it's funny that we never talked about We discuss them. We were, I was just listening pain. And then I come home to find out that we were laughing at them and giggling about them and stuff like that. ⁓ They sure did. ⁓ you were there. Did you hear me talking about anybody? I was, you know, my focus was on the material that it's funny that you say that though, because the the the teenage representative of the young Republicans that stood up there and spoke actually said by 10 o'clock tonight, somebody is going to post and say something negative about the ⁓ party. Surely enough, ⁓ Kate is one who called it out. ⁓ So Roman, as, as I've said before, and I will continue to say that, you know, it does take a village. The village is missing its idiot. I think they know where they are. know exactly where they're at. have a mayor of the, ⁓ village idiots. he should be happy. got elected self-proclaimed mayor the idiots. right. And, ⁓ hopefully he can fact check that and he can get flushed down the commode like everybody else. So that's hilarious. I made that reference today too. That's crazy. You know, turn the page, flush the toilet either way. Time to move on. So I want to bring up, let's see, I did promise to share. Let's see if my technical proficiency is going to cooperate with me this evening. I wanted to, I want to break down some local races. Hello. Somebody talk to us. um, put your phones on silent. it's your first meeting. This is my first time. Sorry about this. I'm new to all of this. Yeah. So I brought up on the main screen here. ⁓ first and foremost, had a mayor incumbent, Mitch Colvin, ⁓ retaking his seat against, maybe, no, just gotta struggle to see it. Cause I can't see it either. just got us squint. yeah, that's all you get today. ⁓ ⁓ so mayor Mitch Colvin retook seat against Kathy Jensen. ⁓ but you know, all the. ⁓ the lying and the fibbing that he did to the entire city. Uh, he didn't exactly blow, uh, Ms. Jensen out of the water. It still was a sick, essentially a 60 40 split. I'm just going to round up 37 to 40. Um, because you know, we do need to take into consideration that, uh, enough people were duped, uh, to vote for and waste their vote on Mr. Della Cruz, 260 of them. There was another 56 write-ins that were They're not documented yet, but by the canvas on November 14th, I think that list will be made available. ⁓ Tisha Waddell took 44 votes. So did Mario Benevente at 40 and Paul Williams came in at 20. So you still had people that even though they are candidates lost in the primary, they still wanted to put their support behind ultimately losing candidates. So that's interesting. You know, the thing is, I said before that a vote for Freddie is a vote for Mitch Colvin, because if you want change, you need to pick somebody that has a chance of winning. Now, rather comedically, I've heard Mr. Delacruz refer to himself as Abraham Lincoln, but I think Abraham Lincoln had enough. I think he had enough situational awareness, which I would have thought Mr. Delacruz being a veteran would have understood. doesn't know what awareness is. not at all. He is in his own world and, I've been relatively nice and not said negative things, but I'm at the point where I'm, pretty fed up. ⁓ don't think incumbent on any of us to have to be quiet and we don't want to be identified as Republicans. If that's who he thinks he's the scion of Republicans. I I'm not that kind of Republican. I'm going to be reasonable list to somebody else's voice. So there's that ⁓ district one, Kathy old seat. was taken by Stefan Ferguson, previous guest of the cabinet. And he did 56 to 42 against Mr. James Thomas. If y'all remember, James Thomas was a very young man. He was very much involved. I think he did a lot of work with the fable Carmelin Youth Council, I think. And he, just a very bright young man. think we have to look back at the younger generation and think maybe they're all doomed. know, he's, he seemed like a very energetic guy. I that problem now. Uh, Mr. Malik Davis retook his seat very easily against Gail Morfessis, 6831, uh, Antonio Jones. was no surprise there in district, uh, three city of Fayetteville. Mr. Jones had been appointed to that seat before. That was pretty tight though. mean, only 400 votes, uh, separate them, but I guess if you're only getting 2000, I mean, district one only had about 1900, uh, district. to had 2200. I just think it's fewer people voting in district three. Yeah, that's kind of a bummer. Wasn't that Miss Waddell seat? I think Tisha was in that district. Could be. Because I think Antonia was appointed after she resigned. No surprise in district four. DJ hair versus Stuart Collic. Have you ever met Mr. Collic? Has anybody ever seen him? No, neither have I. I know he we should have him on here. I'm more than happy to meet him. He runs every time it does. He does. Why? What is it? What is he trying to get? I don't know. Maybe he thinks he's Abraham Lincoln. We don't know him. not throw. Let's not lump him in with. Well, I situational awareness, man. I don't know. Tell you. Lynn green district five handily beats herself. 2780 votes. Well, you're still voting for Johnny Dawkins. they did. But there were 103 write-ins in her district. That's my home district, actually district five. That is where Ranger Rick Enrique Murillo was on the ballot. And he had those allegations come out earlier in the year. And he just kind of- you guys have them on the We did. Yeah. We've had the Ranger. I was not here when Ranger Rick was here. No. We have a lot of shows, Laura. can't I understand, but I'm just saying I was not here. Derrick Thompson, my former foe, retook his seat, 1856, 76 to 22. Just remember he only got me by 39 to, what is it, 61 to 39 for me. you know, for those of people that are running around saying they got the most Republican votes out of anybody. it, let's do percentage wise. Yeah. So then, He only beat me 61, 39. Okay. Not 76, 22. ⁓ but I think Ken ran a nice, nice, what I saw from both of them was they were running a decent race. They weren't really slinging mud to each other. There were certain of these races. There were some certain subterfuge, I think that people were running their mouths about each other. Right. Some of them were just like, let's be gentlemen about it. Do you like it when they throw the mud? Not really. Not at this level. Really? Not at this level either. At this level, if you think that the potholes are partisan and you're playing house of cards, you're in the wrong business. Go run for Senate. That's right. You know, it's. ⁓ now district seven, Brendan McNair retook her seat 77 to 22 % against Kathy Greg's, ⁓ former guests on the show as well. ⁓ Ms. McNair refused several requests to appear on the show. ⁓ just didn't even respond. ⁓ now Sean McMillan district eight, ⁓ he took his seat by 78 to 20 % and with just a few right in candidates. Now Sean McMillan. ⁓ don't believe has appeared on the show with us and, ⁓ Mr. Garvin did not either. Mr. Garvin was the favored for that district by Courtney Banks McLaughlin who vacated the seat. think that was who she endorsed. Yes, it was. was going to say there's no way because Sean is all over. While I don't agree with his politics, he does a lot for the community. He is everywhere. All the time. Well, and that's precisely the good point. See, whether I agree with him or not 110%, he's a well-spoken, well-researched guy. He is. He's very knowledgeable. He has a lot going for him. I've had a lot of people off the side tell me that despite what I perceive as Sean's activism, right? Cause sometimes these activists scare the hell out of me, but Sean, from what I've been told will read the packet, do the research. He'll probably lead to a little bit of activism, but he'll do the job first. He won't grant. He won't grandstand. He won't. He's not going to be just obstructive for obstruction sake. That's good. That's what we need. And that's exactly. I absolutely agree with that. We need to keep the national politics off of city council board because they are not the same. No, they're not. I could agree. I mean, you, you can like it. I mean, you can want it all you want, but you it's like, you want to be right. You want to be happy. And you, want to move on with life? Luckily I'm both. Are you, are you right in half? ⁓ yeah, of course you are. Of course you are Laura. So, ⁓ down to Dino Hondros versus his opponent, Joe McGee. He retook his seat 64 to 34. ⁓ Mr. Gary hunt who I wasn't able to get on the show. ⁓ he still got six right ends. So I guess that's the threshold five or six to be listed. Five, five is a threshold to be. Acknowledged. So didn't even get five write-ins from mayor. I'm feeling kind of sad right now. I didn't know you were running a write-in campaign. I wasn't, but I had a few people tell me they wrote it. So I'm just trying to test them out to see if they Oh, had I known, I would have written you in. Yeah. Me and Donald Duck, I think had a pretty good chance of this thing. Really? Yeah, absolutely. So let's swing to, uh, that town of Hope Mills. Where we had no conflict at all the last, last election. We, uh, Wow. It's like, 16 votes. That's a dead heat. mean, incumbent bellflowers versus newcomer Todd Henderson, both of whom have appeared on the show. So yeah, that's 16 votes and there were six write-ins. So, wow. If they had just swung, it still wouldn't have made it. It have been, well, it would have been a 10 vote dip. that still? Well, I remember Hope Mills is where really Mitchell further down here, he has been reelected to the commission, but really Mitchell two cycles ago. or was it last, it was last cycle. He lost by one vote. ⁓ That happens and really just, and you've had it, we've had them on here. So you kind of got kind of his attitude and demeanor a little bit, but he was like, no, I'm not going to ask for recount. He really is one of those guys. If it's meant to be, it's meant to be, and he'll move on. So, mean, it could have been meant to be with a reboot. And you missed out, but he did, but he just was like, no, I just move on. And the man's busy enough that I think he just, you know, that's pretty impressive. Cause we have people that. lost three to one votes and they still are hanging on. are. So out in Hope Mills, the new commissioners are the top five here. So Ms. Hope Page, who's a newcomer, Greeley Mitchell, former commissioner, Brian Marley was reelected. Cynthia Hamilton as a newcomer and Lisa Trammell was a newcomer as well. So those, those five are now the new board of Hope Mills. And the top three are good for four years. Is that right? Is it? Or the top two? I think it's I think it's the mayor and the top two then two, the other three would run again. then, yeah. So they'll be automatically four year terms, the top getters. So congratulations to hope and really, yeah, we're going to be there for a while now. Uh, so that, that much assured continuity of government better start taking place. Wasn't there somebody around here? remember seeing something on Facebook about a guy that was running to be mayor, but he didn't want to give up his commission seat. So he was running for mayor too. And commission seat. Maybe that was somewhere else. don't know. I think it was here. Okay. But it wouldn't surprise me because you're kind of immersed in all this political stuff. was going to say, see so much. sure you read it someplace. Yes. And I was like, that stood out to me. So, ⁓ out in spring Lake mayor, Kia, Anthony got reelected to another term on a, much, by much miss Chadwick, ⁓ who is a friend of a friend and I couldn't get her to appear the night before the election, but, ⁓ hopefully we'll be hearing from her. Hey, look at that in ho in spring Lake. ⁓ Freddie daily cruise would have been within 10%. ⁓ So unfortunately, I don't know many people, spring Lake border commissioners, but the top five again, one out there. don't know if any of these guys were in comments or not beforehand. ⁓ the only name looks familiar to me is Frederick of Sutherland. And I don't know why that looks familiar. I, ⁓ I don't know any of them either. Maybe she just has a familiar name. don't know. Maybe we should invite them out and find out what's going on in spring. Like, cause they, I'm, got their, they got the rights to do all of their stuff back. Yeah. Remember Dave Bullock was, ⁓ wasn't just a Bullock. was the other auditor, but whatever, they, yeah, they, so they, it was a local government commission was like, no, you can't know. You're not grown up enough to be a town on your own. We're going to put you in receivership. we should, yeah. So we should like see how things are going. So I don't know anybody in East over until we get down to the East over town council, our very own CCGOP president, proof Sikes, ⁓ retook his seat. ⁓ he had some pretty stiff competition there. was picked, picked three of three and there was three people running. ⁓ I don't think he had to spend much money on campaigning this cycle. No, he didn't. He didn't even really campaign. He said, I don't know. It was like, you you're on congratulations. You're winner. ⁓ where was it? Let me get down here. think. was a town of Godwin. Mr. I kept hearing people talk about Mr. I think it was Mr. Burnett. Yeah, he was the only one on the ballot. Okay, was Mr. Burnett. He didn't have to run a camp with 35 votes. Yeah, I mean, but that's all the it for 41 people voted in that election. Yeah, but Godwin's tiny like if you if you blink you you're out of Godwin. Yeah, so these I mean 41 votes. But then if it was 41 votes, then some people just didn't vote for any of these guys. If you look down at town of Godwin commissioner vote for four, ⁓ that's not necessarily true. Well, should be at least 40. Well, that's if, ⁓ all 40 voted for the same person, maybe those three voted for this and that. you can vote for three. Yes, you can vote for three. Yeah. And there's a bunch of them. Well, I think we need to start bringing some of these guys on. ⁓ think so too. Let's I especially where it's contentious. would definitely want to hear. Well, I want to hear how, how Mr. ⁓ Mr. Burnett, Willie Burnett possibly fought off his contender. I mean, I, you know, come on that's seven to one over there. But no, I having run for commissioner and like meeting some of these guys out there. If you want to know where small town America is go to Wade Steadman Falcon East over. Yeah. It's happening in our backyard. These guys, ⁓ You know, they're having town meetings. Their budget might be a hundred thousand dollars. to me that that's just as important as greatest Fayetteville city is. Yay. ⁓ they're part of the county ⁓ and they need to be included. We need to start bringing them in and you know, what's going on in Godwin. I don't know. Cause ⁓ don't know. I asked some members of the commission, ⁓ actually it was last ⁓ Tuesday during election night, kind of watch party at, you having discussions, ⁓ what outreach have you been making to. ⁓ the towns of Godwin Fowl, you know, all the little guys. And they said, you know, previous commissions just simply didn't do anything for these guys. Never spoke to them. I was told they're having coffees now they're having work sessions together. They're really trying to include the smaller towns. And what I liked about the smaller towns was they'll have a meeting and they're talking about who's going to repaint the gazebo. That's nice. And, you know, but it was like, and it wasn't like they're given the contracts away to like family, but it was like, ⁓ Cousin Eddie's got a guy that can give a contract on the wood repair and then cousin Joe's got the guy that could paint it. It was all going to be handled the proper channel, but it was like, all kind of, they all know each other. mean, there's only, know, it it was a community coming together. was, it was, ⁓ what is it? Citizen, citizen politicians at their finest. That's what it was. It would be great to have those people here to like have discussions with them and how you make it work. now granted they don't have. know, couple hundred thousand people, but it's nice to see people working together. need to be setting positive examples because there's so many negative ones. I agree. a hundred thousand got what I don't think. No, no, I'm saying here in Fayetteville. Oh yeah. Well, and to contrast that if their budget's a hundred thousand in one of these little towns, city of Fayetteville is 380 million. Right. Town of Hope Mills is only 22 million. Yeah. Only. Well, yeah, but I mean, compare that to, you know, city of Fayetteville. That's city of Fayetteville is 10. a factor of 10 or 12 times larger. So, ⁓ okay, so that takes care of the local what, what, what commentary, what would you like to add about ⁓ local elections here in the city of Fayetteville? mean, ⁓ surprises? ⁓ Were we surprised by any of this any of behaviors? incumbent is the strongest word in politics, right? So ⁓ we just kind of had a feeling Mitch McHulgan was to take it. ⁓ Kathy was a good alternative, but I ⁓ see a lot. of difference between the two platforms. you know, what was really going on there? Right. Right. ⁓ But yeah, well, and I think, ⁓ Ms. Jensen hurt, she was a victim of being lied to number one, right. By somebody that she'd been mayor pro tem for two or three cycles. ⁓ second of all, what was the lie? Yeah. Well, Mitch said he was not going to run again. ⁓ yeah. So she stepped down from her seat where she could have. So think about, think about the order of things. You say we don't sling mud. You know what I mean? Well, they don't sling mud. just lie to each other. But, uh, you know, for, for him to confide in her and say, you know, Hey, I'm not going to run again. And then two months after that announced to the city, I'm not going to run again, June 11th or something around there. And then 15 minutes before the window closes, did he grant then he calls something going on pro tem and says, I'm going to file for mayor. So why don't you file back for district one? Oh, and she told him no, as she should have. Um, but the victim, I think here is the citizen. We didn't turn out enough of our neighbors to make this a worthwhile race. If you get any kind of voter turnout below 18%, you're guaranteeing that incumbent has a pretty good shot of free taking his seat. Mathematically, it was impossible for. ⁓ Kathy to win. If that voter turnout didn't turn to 18 to 22, 25%, there you have a chance to win over enough votes to see some change, whether there was a big difference or not. ⁓ I said during the primary that there's only three adults, three or four adults running for mayor. And I included the incumbent in that. I said, look, whether you like him or not, whether you like Kathy or not, but then there's Tisha Kathy. Mitch. Did I include any other adults in that? don't think, no, but I that was it. But that was more, my adult thing is more about who can lead, who can walk into a room and shake hands with the guy that doesn't look, think, or act like him. Okay. And be, be run a meeting and stick to Robert's rules. Go ahead, Laura. will say that Mitch is, I give him lots of compliments just because he can, he, he to me presents as a leader. Okay. So I'm, I don't have anything bad to say about Mitch other than I don't agree with this politics. I don't agree with some things that he decides, but I would say that he's pretty impressive guy. Well, and that's the thing. think people are surprised that I don't have a major beef with our, with our incumbent mayor. I, I just not agree with their politics and still like them as a human being. And we got to say hi to Karen Saracen. She's on here and Bambi bellflowers is on here. joining us, joining us as a surprise, Mr. Well, not a surprise. We knew he was coming, but Mr. Mr. Tom Brown. ⁓ Sir, can you hear us?

Don Brown: You're a loud and clear or a Lima Charlie as we say in the military. Everybody looks great. I'm very, very blessed to be here.

Peter Pappas: ⁓ Lima, Charles, I like it. I like it. Well, on this on this Veterans Day, Eva Veterans Day, we appreciate some lingo there. So ⁓ thanks for joining us this evening. ⁓ I didn't really we kind of just jumped into the show. We didn't really discuss that you're going to join us later because you got you got quite your hands full this afternoon. I was told so

Don Brown: Thank We do, but you know, we're getting a little snow up here in the western parts of the state. live in Union County, my office is in Charlotte. So it's kind of a chilly little escapade here. Nice, expect a little winter storm coming through or a little bit of dusting here. And we've been very, very busy, but just great to be with you guys. I'm very, very grateful for the opportunity.

Peter Pappas: Okay. Well, it's good to have you, sir. And, ⁓ so I know that you, so I've met you before. think you came to spring Lake, I think. And that's where, ⁓ the Republican women's clubs host. that a Republican women? That was a, ⁓ joint meeting, joint meeting. Okay. So that's where I first met. ⁓ you had an opponent back then running, but he's since dropped out. has a different opponent now though. Yes. ⁓ yeah. You got it. Yeah.

Don Brown: ⁓ I prefer my former opponent. Hey, you know, we'll do the best we can. Seems like somebody's in there all the time.

Peter Pappas: So tell us. So I tried to run some promos that had a little bit of your background, but just welcome tonight. Tell us a little bit about yourself and what you're trying to do and let's go from there.

Don Brown: Well, ⁓ you know, I grew up in the eastern part of the state in a little town called Plymouth, you know, probably three hours from Fayetteville down near the outer banks. Grew up fishing in the Albemarle and Pamlico Sounds. Went off to school at Chapel Hill. And I kind of joke around, I came out more conservative than I went in, proven there as a God, you know. ⁓ Went in the Navy, went law school. Yeah, right, exactly. Although frankly, we've got a really good chancellor ⁓ there now, you know, Lee Roberts. you know, With God all things are possible and he was out there defending the flag when Hamas tried to take it down. So went into the Navy, spent really 16 years, five active, 11 in the reserves. And got out and went into private law practice, but kept my foot in the military and did some things working with rules of engagement. turns out ⁓ we had Chopry shot down in Afghanistan in 2011.

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm.

Don Brown: We lost 17 members of SEAL Team 6, 30 Americans. It was a disaster. And it got really close to some of the Gold Star family members and worked on that investigation, met Pete Hedge, set through that and got involved in some work with the guys that had been prosecuted under Obama's Rules of Engagement. Got involved in some medical freedom stuff going after the jab and one thing leads to another and here we are. that's my story and I'm sticking to it guys.

Peter Pappas: Okay. So, so what on earth, because you're a very, ⁓ experienced and busy, ⁓ attorney, what possessed you to say, I'm going to run for us Senate. let's say that to Tom, what just, I may real quick, Tom Tillis has decided not to run, which has opened the seat up. So for those people that don't know just in case, still doesn't use what, what, what kind of malfunction had in his head of why I'm going to go right.

Don Brown: Well, you know what mean. Hey, let me tell you something, guys. We've been in at least 65 counties and everywhere I've gone, I've joked around of ask for a psychiatric referral. Why would you do this? last night we were actually in Buncombe County. We've been to Buncombe County on several occasions and there was a conservative patriot psychiatrist in the group. So I finally found one. It's It's interesting. Tom, well, never thought I'd be doing this. I did run for Congress two years ago, jumped in very late. Matter of fact, jumped in on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving for a March 3rd primary, which was insane. We finished in the middle of the pack and then this thing comes up with Tillis. And the thing that kind of got it started, I was having a number of my opponents, supporters, including Congress, Mark Harris's supporters, encourage me to do this and still was not going to do it really. As I mentioned to you, I worked with Pete Hedgeseth a lot for two years, ⁓ battling rules of engagement issues that Obama had put into practice. And they really putting the lives of the Taliban ahead of the lives of Americans. There was one kid named, young officer named First Lieutenant Clinton Rantz, Pete and I worked two years together ⁓ to finally get President Trump, which would persuade President Trump to pardon him, by the grace of God, we got that. So I know Pete well.

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm.

Don Brown: And I think really the straw that brought the camel's back is when Tillis, after he had promised to support ⁓ any of the president's nominees that came out of committee, Pete came out of the Armed Services Committee and Tillis still tried to torpedo that nomination. And I think that was the straw that brought the camel's back. Just made me furious. He had taken out or subsequently took out Ed Martin, the original US attorney nominee for DC. We've got a very good one now with Judge Jeanine, but But that's kind of like what got me into the race. And I think Andy and I both had agreed, we became friends on the campaign trip. We agreed and I was actually, if Laura Trump had jumped in the race, I would have gone to the beach. The closest I've been to the beach is the campaign trip in Carteret County. But the establishment's choice does not give me a lot of comfort that the future of that seat is in good hands. So here we are. But there's a silver lining in every cloud. I'm here with y'all. Got to meet Laura.

Peter Pappas: Hahaha! Okay.

Don Brown: Gotta meet you and you know, it is, it is just a tiring thing to go from here, there and everywhere. But when you get where you're going and you meet fellow Patriots, it kind of like revivifies you a bit. So I'm grateful for that and for the new friends that we've met.

Peter Pappas: What is your, so what has your reception been like? ⁓ I mean, Mr. Wotley is very much establishment and you know, Mr. Trump had his arm around him so many times and, but that's, he's not grassroots at all. And if we look back at his record, I don't feel like Mr. Wotley brought much success to the GOP in North Carolina. ⁓ so what's, what's your reception been like?

Don Brown: Mm-hmm. No, it- ⁓ Look Well, first off, the reception on the ground, the grassroots level has been electric. I'm very grateful and humbled and honored. I I haven't done anything to earn that enthusiasm, but I'm grateful for it anyway. Annie and Nelson, I both knew that ⁓ Tillis was not going to win this race. And I can't really say that the, the negativity toward Watley isn't as high as it was toward Tillis, but the party is divided. And I am convinced that if you gave him the nomination today, we would lose that. We would lose the race of Democrats. ⁓ and they're. Yeah. Yeah. And there are.

Peter Pappas: I agree. Yeah. Because the grassroots are stuck in the mud and they do not, they will not conform and say, Hey, a other Republican is better than any Democrat, especially Senator Roy Cooper.

Don Brown: Well, right, that's right, Laura. And you know, you're going to have a race that, ⁓ you know, we're optimistic because Republican registration is eclipsing Democrat registration. But yet we just saw from these municipal elections that it almost takes the presidential election at top of the ticket to pull Republicans out. So we're looking at a midterm. ⁓ You know, we're looking at ⁓ a former governor who has name recognition. Now he has a record and I want to chase him all over the state and I want to prosecute him on his record. ⁓ His performance during COVID was beyond disastrous. And even before that when he was when he was attorney general, he drove the state crime lab into the ground. I've said this before and I'll say it again. The last time I saw my dad alive was looking through the outside glass of a nursing home, my hometown of Plymouth, North Carolina. There was ⁓ a frozen patch of grass and my sister Amy and I were out there and my dad was inside. We were just waving to him. It was Cooper's unconstitutional mandates that kept us from our dad and kept thousands of elderly North Carolinians who were dying away from their, family members. There was never any logical reason for it. Never any, you know, any health reason for it. was a, it was largely a scam from the beginning. And I'm going to hit him on that. He drove the state into the ground. Look what he did to the public education system during COVID. I had a client of mine, a wonderful patriot lady who runs a a large dance studio in the Charlotte metro area. And she came to me and Cooper was trying to get her little ballet, know, little kids, three and four years old, little girls wearing masks. And I just said, hey, blow it off, Michelle. We'll sue them if we have to sue them. But I mean, he's done a lot of damage. And when he was going out of office, New Year's Eve, before Stein comes into office, he commutes 15 murderers on death row. And I just say, think about the animal that murdered that poor the Charlotte light rail arena. Think about that animal, Cooper, he commuted the death sentences of 15 murderers just like that. How do those families feel? We're gonna chase him down, remind him of his record. This guy can be taken down. I don't believe that he beat Pat McCrory. When you look at that race, McCrory was ahead and all of sudden the vote fairy start showing up from where Durham County, probably the most corrupt Democrat machine in the state.

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm. you ⁓

Don Brown: There's a way through this. We got to get past Watley first. There's a way to do it. And by the grace of God, we're going to keep praying and working, see how it turns out.

Peter Pappas: Well, we certainly hope you can counteract the evil that is Mr. Comrade Cooper ⁓ over there. ⁓ but because I mean, look, I mean, if nothing else, he had me listen to the radio every other day during COVID wondering if I could keep my own damn restaurants open. ⁓ I remember sitting in the parking lot with nobody, no other customers in the lot. And I'm looking, I'm sitting outside on the AM radio waiting to hear, you know, is he going to let us open?

Don Brown: There you go.

Peter Pappas: this week or what's going to happen. And that was, we forget very easily, I think how much we let these guys have control over things that we should not have. ⁓ so.

Don Brown: And if you remember those, go ahead and eat your chocolate.

Peter Pappas: ⁓ no, it's okay, go ahead.

Don Brown: Well, I was just going to say, if you remember those press conferences that he and Mandy Cohen did, you'd see them put their mask on before they walk out, you know, so they weren't even practicing what they were preaching. And of course that guy he marked, March was BLM. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Right. Exactly. Exactly. So, ⁓ he, does have a record. We're going to hit him hard. I mean, we're going to hit him so hard. He won't know what, you know, they won't know where it came from. He, it, by the grace of God, if I get the nomination, he's, he's going to feel a rocket up as you know, what.

Peter Pappas: Virtue signaling, right?

Don Brown: We're gonna hit him and remind him and prosecute him and chase him out of the state. Remind North Carolinians what he did to the state. And I think it's been too close to that disaster of a record he had for people to forget and I think he's gonna go down.

Peter Pappas: Now I don't want to sling mud. I don't like slinging mud. lets me do that. I entice it though. So tell you're focused on Roy Cooper, which is great because once you make it past the primary, the RNC people and the establishment Republicans will fall in line and will back you a hundred percent. Unfortunately, we can't say the same about the grassroots people. They'll be protesting or whatever. So let's get you past.

Don Brown: Good job, guys.

Peter Pappas: Wotley, why you and not Wotley?

Don Brown: First off, we start with our respective records and there are some significant differences. I'll start with medical freedom. During the COVID movement, I don't know if I shared this with you, Laura, but I got into a public debate with a guy named Jerry Valencourt, who was the voice of the Charlotte Hornets, play-by-play voice. And he'd been a friend, liberal as the day is long. He was pro-JAB, I was pro-freedom. He was pro-mask, I was pro-freedom and... If you ever see a picture with me wearing a mask, you know it's Dr. Baai. So I'm one of those stubborn types. there you go. I love it. But as a result of that, I got involved in some major vaccine litigation. one of the big, represent a number of Christians with an EEOC that just wanted to keep their jobs. Didn't want to take the jab for religious reasons. But I had a major case at the Savannah River Nuclear Plant. That's in Aiken, South Carolina.

Peter Pappas: Me too.

Don Brown: I know some folks around Fayetteville and our military bases will know that plant. It's a crucial plant for the American defense ⁓ apparatus. We had built hydrogen bomb parts there and now we build nuclear materials. It's run by the Department of Energy. The employer is Savannah River Nuclear Solutions. So Biden had the Department of Energy tell Savannah River, either you force your folks to take the jab or we're going to cut all the federal funds. So I had about 100 come to me. wound up representing 78 folks, employees, many of them nuclear engineers. So we sued Savannah River. We went first to the district court in Columbia, South Carolina, and I sued them on the theory and on the grounds that they were practicing medicine without a license, which is absolutely correct. You're forcing somebody to take a jab under emergency use authorization without license. the judge, really nice lady named Michelle Childs, Democrat as the day is long. And Michelle Childs, guys, was one of Biden's three women of color finalist for the Supreme Court. In fact, she would have been better than what he selected, but she smiled and nice, nice as could be. But we knew she would rule against us. She ruled against us and we appealed to the Fourth Circuit in Richmond. And eventually Biden backed down because you're coming up on the midterms and people were, until you backed down, we were able by the grace of God to save those jobs, not because of anything brilliant I did, but sometimes you just got to stay in the ring and keep fighting and hope that the sum will. peek through the clouds and it did, but I was going to say during the course of that, we pulled numbers from the government. The government has, maybe you all have heard of this, a database called VAERS, and that's the Vaccine Allergy Emergency Reaction System, VAERS. It's put into place by the FTC. The government has called it its gold standard. In years past, if anything went wrong with a vaccine, even a small thing like with DTaP, for example, germamusils, whatever, rubella, ⁓ The government would shut the entire program down nationwide just with three or four adverse reactions to make sure there wasn't a widespread problem. Well, then comes COVID. And so in COVID, they started attacking their own system from the canary in the coal mine to, well, you can't rely on it. But we pull those numbers and I'll tell you this and I'll share it here with you all probably won't hear it anywhere else, but from January of 2021 into October of 2021, that's a 10 month period, we had more DEA THS reported from these three experimental COVID jabs in that 10 month period, then from every other vaccine combined over a 30 year period. And your crooked government and its crooked media lackeys kept that from you. Well, there you go with a line of demarcation right there with me and Watley. Watley used his position as chair of Republican party in North Carolina, went to Republican headquarters in North Carolina, urged people to take jabs. I'm going to take jab. He said,

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm.

Don Brown: See your doctor, but it's not a matter of politics. It's a matter of science, highly irresponsible. Number one. Number two, and Andy's aware of this while he endorsed Tillis in March in the Carolina country club after Tillis before he dropped out. But after he tried to torpedo Pete HHS nomination, after he took out ⁓ the US attorney's nomination, after he said he went after Trump's terrorist policy, saying whose neck can I ring or who can I choke? Something like that.

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Don Brown: So, Watley was in bed with Tillis as the RNC chair when he is required by rule 11 to remain neutral. Andy and I were both in the race, still endorsing Tillis. And it just goes on and on and on. He went after our J6 Patriots. was bragged that he was the first state chair to go after J6 Patriots. Now, Trump was out of office, remember? He'd gone out of office in January. Watley was interviewed on CNN. We've got the tape. CNN said, Mr. Watley,

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm.

Don Brown: Senator McConnell says that J6 was all creation of the president. Are you going to disagree with Senator McConnell? He says, I'm not going to disagree with Senator McConnell. In other words, he was agreeing McConnell's attacking Trump and he went on to bash these folks. And I know for a fact that like 99 % of our patriots that went into capital were peaceful and nonviolent. So there's a difference right there. And the differences go on and on. We're to get these policy differences out. We're sending TILUS 2.2.

Peter Pappas: You

Don Brown: if he were able to get past Roy Cooper, which he can't. You're just getting this and we've got a $38 trillion national debt and the Republican Party has got to have an affirmative plan to attack the debt. If we don't, it's going to be Katie by the door. I've I've been, that message is resonating with folks I've been talking to all over the state.

Peter Pappas: So we've talked about plenty of doom and gloom in the past, the masking and the deaths and everything we, to me, everything we gave up in COVID to me was reminiscent of the Patriot Act back and then we wanted to feel safe. So we just said, yay, take all of our safety and make us feel safe. No, didn't. Some people I did not. refused to wear a mask. I got kicked out of several places because I wouldn't wear a You wanted to make the little 15 year old really at the door feel a certain kind of way. Yes, I did. You're so mean, Laura.

Don Brown: Okay. Love that about you, Lauren, by the way. You meet you both. I'll get down there. We'll a little... Amen to that.

Peter Pappas: But yes, I am. I am going to stand up for my rights and no little 15 year old is going to stop me. Right. I just put the mask. I was like, all right, kid, it's fine, man. This whatever. But I guess I'm a little more I'm just, I just want to go in and get my toilet paper and get out. I had my toilet paper delivered. does that. So, uh, so we've discussed a little bit about the past and, and Mr. Brown, I didn't ask you how long we can keep you this evening. I, I know you had other

Don Brown: That's the way you think.

Peter Pappas: ⁓ places you needed to be. He's on, he was on Newsmax tonight. He's going to be on Newsmax and he's going to be, and you're going to be here in Cumberland County tomorrow night at the, I'm sorry. You're going to be here tomorrow night at the, at Logan's restaurant at the Fayetteville Republican women's club, 6pm at Logan's restaurant. So everybody that's on here talking about how great he is. I see you on Facebook. ⁓ please come and join us, meet him tomorrow.

Don Brown: No, you- We're all done. Yeah, but y'all can keep it. Go ahead, Ler, I'm sorry.

Peter Pappas: Maybe he'll, you know, buy a hat from him, give a little donation or something, because these money, these campaigns don't run for free. That's right. And I don't want to divulge too much and keep them still interesting for tomorrow. I still want them to have a little bit of mystique, but, you know, we've discussed the past, but what, what, what are you going to fight for? No Carolinians going forward. I mean, what's, what's the top one or two things that you're like, look, we need to really double down on X.

Don Brown: you But let me start from a big perspective and then let's go into the North Carolina issues. First of all, you got me as long as you want me. I've cleared the deck and was hoping to be in studio with Laura tonight, so I've cleared the deck and I think it's very important for voters to be able to see if their candidate can go into deep detail. Last night we did an hour and a half. I'm not suggesting you keep me that long if you want to, but we did an hour and a half down hall and we got to keep Roman happy.

Peter Pappas: Okay. Well, I think Roman would be a little bit disserved because we do have to get to him eventually. No, absolutely. love hearing about this. It's very educational. And Roman lives around here. Roman can come back. I do. I do. That's true.

Don Brown: Yeah, buh-buh-buh-buh-buh- But listen, I'm going to talk one national issue and we'll go into some state stuff, okay? Nationally, the national debt is a ticking time bomb that nobody wants to look at. When I got into the race, it was in the high 36 trillion range, then through 37, and two weeks ago it crested 38 trillion. I was going up to the western part of the state, and the eastern part and the western part of the state typically just get screwed over by the rest of the state. So I have a heart, but let me rephrase, by Raleigh.

Peter Pappas: Okay.

Don Brown: And so I have a heart for the Mountain counties and Eastern counties have a heart for the whole state, but I was getting ready go up there and there is a website called usdebtclock.org. I don't know if you all seen that, but if anybody's listening to me, go to it. And it shows the running debt exploding in front of our face. And so, you know, I've got these smart kids and I've got this little cell phone. could show me how to do this. My RN daughter showed me how to set up.

Peter Pappas: Yes.

Don Brown: the clock. So I'm watching this and I set it up for one minute and at the end of the minute it goes and you know you know how much the dead has increased in one minute? Peter any idea? Laura you want to take a guess?

Peter Pappas: No, I'm Googling it right now. 1.23 billion dollars. That's a big guess, but I.

Don Brown: $2 million, $2 million a minute, $120 million an hour, $2.8 billion a day. That's $37,000 a second. Okay, so our Republican congressman will tell you, and rightly so, that we brought down the level of spending. That's true because although it's $37,000 a second now, was $55,000 to $60,000 under the Democrats. But see, the problem is You know, when we look at every great civilization in the history of the world, they all had the currency that everybody wanted. The Romans had the denarius. You know, the Spanish had the peso when Columbus discovered America. The Brits had the pound sterling, which gave way to the dollar at Bretton Woods. And when those currencies fall, nations fall. And we are racing not only against incredible forces of evil, but against the law of mathematics. And we got to, as Republicans, have an affirmative plan to attack. and reverse the debt or the rest won't matter. So, and that is that message is resonating. Yeah, you got it right there. So if you look at that, you see we're at $38 trillion, $178 billion. That's $111,000 per person. But here's the thing for y'all, for us, we pay taxes. So you've got to the average debt load per taxpayer is $328,000, which means that if all of us stroke to check those who pay taxes, we have to stroke a check for $328,000 retired debt. It's a dangerous situation. So I've talked about that. I've got a plan for that. I know you asked about some state issues. I want to go to that, but that message is resonant. You're not going to hear while I talk about it. You won't hear any Republican talk about it. went to the NC GOP hall of fame dinner the other night. I went to the dinner and watched it all and had a fellow from, from CNN come in and gave all the red meat and I can talk and points. Great. I mean, DEI is horrible. The idea of forcing little girls into locked rooms with men is abominable. know, the alphabet soup going to X, Y, and Z all the way, they do that to try to divide us. And we get worked up about that and we should, but if we lose the dollar, it's over. I've been trying to hit on that. Let's go to some state issues because you asked about them. There are a couple of things.

Peter Pappas: Well, what do you do to get people involved in that? mean, people feel disenfranchised or not bought in to America, right? Like they don't have an idea of that.

Don Brown: No, right. Well, listen, you think, mm-hmm, right, Romans, think about this. This fool, well, I shouldn't say that. My grandma said, the Bible says don't call somebody a fool. So I won't because the Bible said that. This dingbat, how about that? The guy elected as mayor of New York, it points out two catastrophic failures in institutions that we used to cherish. I first off, here's a guy, an American Ugandan, Ugandan American hyphenated American. Why are we letting a half-native people hold office or immigrate to the country? It's a guy who embraces Sharia law. You know, when you think about immigration, so one of the institutions is an epitome of the failure of immigration. We talked about how the Democrats encouraged illegal immigration, and they did. Biden, just opened up borders. We lost more Americans in one year defending all the 10 years of Vietnam. That's illegal immigration. Trump has largely shut that down, God bless him. We've got a problem with legal immigration. Legal, that is legal immigration as well. Why are we allowing immigration of folks from Sharia countries who appear to have embraced Sharia law, which is an anathema to the Constitution? It's gonna be shut down. So as an example of this, yes, yes ma'am.

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm. ⁓ If I can I interrupt here for a minute we do preach here in in in America that everybody has the right to practice their own Freedoms of religion. So while you're criticizing Sharia law, that is what their beliefs are so Yeah, I always play devil's advocate I'm the troublemaker I apologize she really

Don Brown: We prepped it. Well, you know, and it depends on, well, I'll, we'll have. I'm glad you do because I'm gonna gently push back a little bit. Why Sharia a religion? Let me ask you that. Who says it's a religion? Let me ask you this. What religion on the face of the planet advocates maiming, destroying, raping, killing? Every religion on the face of the planet, whether it's a true unify religion, as James says, it takes care of widows and orphans, is Christianity in my judgment, or Hindu, or whatever it may be, all preach to one degree or another peace, love, and inclusion. Now, we as believers, if you're a Christian, you believe that there's only one way, and that's through Jesus Christ. But nonetheless, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, all preach to agree love and inclusion, not Sharia. So you're correct. The First Amendment protects religious freedom. the very first thing, but I challenge any philosophy that is an anathema to the United States Constitution, to the very constitution. That's right.

Peter Pappas: Well, Sharia law is that it's a law. It's a bastardization of the Muslim faith, the Islam faith. mean, having my producer here in the corner who is from Pakistan, ⁓ you know, he doesn't seem like a Sharia law kind of guy. He seems to practice his religion and he seems happy with it and his wife does too. So I think to a, to paint all Muslims as Sharia law adherence is not that you were, but it's like,

Don Brown: What? Why not?

Peter Pappas: Look, the Sharia law is ⁓ as much bastardized of the Islam faith as those crazy old guys in Montana preaching super Christian crazy fundamentalism. We have crazies in all of our major religions.

Don Brown: Well, you don't have crazies like you do with Sharia. I'm gonna push back on that. No, you don't.

Peter Pappas: No, they kind of- think it's still missing the point to where young Americans, 18 through 40, that's who the young Republicans represent, they don't feel like they have a stake in America. And that's where they're willing to let somebody with a voice like that come in, who's promising something that they can just have or be given out to them. they don't see a space to necessarily earn or receive that. And how can we change that? How can we massage that message?

Don Brown: It rubbed the yut, rubbed. All First off, Romy, you're correct. And I started by saying that mandami is a failure of two institutions. Legal immigration, we've got a vet for Sharia. And no, there are wonderful Muslims that don't adhere to that, but we got a vet for it, better number one. Number two, it's a failure of the educational system. You take the Bible out of school, you take the 10 commandments out of school in 62 and 63, and then you combine that with failing to teach American exceptionalism. And what you have been teaching over a generation is the opposite of American exceptionalism. And when you look at the disaster of

Peter Pappas: Instead you have American apologist is what you have instead.

Don Brown: That's right. That's right, Roman. So, so when you look the shock is not just the fact that you've got this ⁓ socialist Islamist getting elected as mayor of New York, but a big shock is the city of Stooges that put him in office. And that's the product of a generation of educational failure. And you see the failure of the educated. First, let me be clear. I love teachers. I love teachers, nurses. and coaches, probably more than anybody I told Andy, I love coaches, teachers, nurses and coaches can really affect people's lives. But when you're teaching anti-Americanism, America bad, America bad, it isn't just that after these standards rammed down by the federal government, it's not just that reading, writing, arithmetic and our math scores have dropped against our Asian competitors. But more than that, it is the morality that has dropped that allows this type of election. You've got, we have got to get a hold of our of our schools, public, private, Christian, homeschool, otherwise, and start teaching American exceptionalism again. We got to get the 10 commandments back in school. We got to get prayer back in school. We got to get a respect for authority, the type of authority that this nation was bound on back in school. understand it's not going to be done overnight, but it's got to be done. So I didn't mean to preach.

Peter Pappas: I do think it's funny that the young people believe in socialism these days until it affects them. When they say, okay, well, I want you to go to work for 40 hours a week, but I'm going to take your pay and I'm going to pay this person who stayed at home. Like, well, why don't they just go to work? All of a sudden socialism isn't so great. So.

Don Brown: Yeah, we're good. Right. And Larry, you're right. And when they start to get, and you start seeing your paycheck taken and, know, the city of Charlotte just passed a transit tax because, know, first of all, as far as I'm concerned, they can shut down the light rail in Charlotte. It's become a cesspool, a magnet for vagrants. You can shut it down. But city of Charlotte, they don't want you, Laura, if you're going to, if you were crazy enough to go ride the light rail, they don't want you to, they don't want to pay themselves. They want to tax you on a sales tax so they have to pay. And the more and more and more they take, the worse it gets. And so a lot of kids going to work, they are seeing that for themselves. But back to an earlier point, we should be teaching American exceptionalism. We should be teaching against socialism, teaching against communism in schools. And again, there's not going be a quick fix, but those of us, you all have a microphone on the platform and you're doing a good service. We just got to continue. I believe the truth will set you free and the truth is more powerful than all the garbage they put out there. All we can do is just take it one step at a time.

Peter Pappas: Well, I still have faith in the American system, whether some people maybe have lost it. Do you remember, or are you familiar with American writer, George Will? He had a column in the Washington Post since 74. Now he was recently on Bill Maher's Real Time with Bill Maher. And he basically said about Mom Donnie quote, want him to win. I think every 20 years or so we need a conspicuous confined experiment with socialism so we can crack it up again. So.

Don Brown: Hiya. you

Peter Pappas: Uh, and he's 84 years old. He's not in New York. think that's pessimistic sort of view. don't know. I think he's exactly right. Well, I think he'll be able to shift blame. You know, I think that if I'm going to, if you're going to be that stupid and put this guy in power, then you deserve to be cracked. it's going to end up being Trump's fault. so you know, what I mean. Shift blame. It'll shift blame. Go ahead.

Don Brown: Well, okay. Let me in. Let me ask this question from a national standpoint. I apologize for interrupting. How did that work out with Obama? Okay How that work out with a model? How's it working out with the? Yeah Right. So so George will you know, he's getting a little older. I've been a fan, but my goodness You know how much damage

Peter Pappas: He got reelected he did well it Well, I wasn't a fan of Bill Maher until recently. And all of a sudden he's turning conservative and being vilified by the far deep left. is not turning conservative. He is still a Democrat, but the Democrats have gone so far to the extreme left that he seems like a reasonable person. And we as Republicans are like, Holy smokes, what we making sense? What do we always say about Democrats? The Democratic party left their own people. I agree. He's in a ratings game. think he's, I think he has appeared or started to come over a little bit to the right. And that's Maybe to appear. he's still very low. She's no Laura's right. mean, she's still on the whole. He's really not conservative, but it's for sure. He's more traditional Republican. He's not that extreme. And that's what I always felt confident. And that's 80 % of us were okay. Yeah. That's what I think. The same exact thing that most Democrats think traditionally. However, the people that they're putting in as their representatives. are going so far and not representing, because I don't call, I apologize, I'll never call you my leader. When you get elected as a Senator, you're not my leader. You're my representative. Yes, you are my representative. We have a leader and his name is Jesus Christ. I follow him every day. So he is my leader. But as a representative, the Democrats need to get people that represent their beliefs and stop all this craziness.

Don Brown: Amen. Amen. But you go, he is representing the beliefs of New York City. Or at least 51 % of the voters there. And you know, Larry, you're right. They've gone so

Peter Pappas: Unfortunately, possibly. I saw some dubious stuff of six times voters, man. It was, it was wild up there. What is it? Chicago vote early vote often over there. ⁓ well, no. And so in Don, you use this terminology earlier in the, in the episode here, canary in a coal mine and is mom, Donnie the beginning of a trend or is he the canary in a coal mine to remind people this isn't going to work.

Don Brown: No, it ain't. Yeah, right. think unless we get control of the legal immigration, he could be a canary in a coal mine. You know what mean? You know, do what you don't want and no offense to your producer. And I've got many Islamic friends and I'm not casting aspersions, but I've been. I was ⁓ in France, in Paris, the night that President Trump was inaugurated the first time. Why would I be there? Well, there's a party in France called the French National Party. Nationalist Party, Nationalist Front Party, excuse me, run by Marine Le Pen. And they were so excited when Trump was elected the first time they wanted an American delegation to come. So they invited a former congressman, a general named General Valleley, invited an Admiral, former Admiral Ace Lyons, who was commander in chief of Pacific Fleet and a Trump biographer. And Admiral invited me go with him to kind of be his aide, you know. Admiral's wife got sick, he couldn't go, but he wanted me to go. They wanted me to go. And read the Admiral's speech. go into this five-star hotel, Hotel Orléans. And I'll never forget this, Laura. I've never shared this with you. When Trump was being sworn in in Washington in January 2017, I'm in France in this large hall with these French dignitaries. The chief of staff of French Air Force is there. are many members of the French parliament, the European parliament. They were all conservative. And I'll never forget. Trump made the comment, of course they could all understand English, he said from this point on in his inaugural address, it's going to be America first. I'm going, holy cow, is that, you know those folks were burst out into applause. And you would think, well, that's counterintuitive. No, but they were looking for someone to initiate border control. And they thought that he would lead the world in that. And the next morning after this swanky ceremony, ⁓ they put us into a bus and took us out to Sandinini, that is the... Cathedral Saint Denis is the Catholic West Minister Abbey of France where Marie Antoinette and Louis are buried. We go there and had this big soiree and after we tried to get out, couldn't get out. Our cab driver wouldn't come in. finally one of the nuns told us, look, you're in a no-go zone. Nobody would go in there because they were opposing Sharia in the Saint Denis section of Paris. I'll never forget. We heard the call of prayer and everything.

Peter Pappas: Mmm. Ooh. Mm-hmm. Really?

Don Brown: And the French authorities won't go in there and they won't go in there and apply civil law there. It is real and it's a problem. ⁓

Peter Pappas: ⁓ yeah. Wow. Well, if you ever need a travel companion, you'd be like, hey, Laura, I need an assistant. Let me know because I'll be taking notes or whatever I need to do because that sounds like fun.

Don Brown: I'm ready to rock and roll, it goes back to when we got to get our we have to get, you know, our legal immigration and control. You go back to 1952, the McCarran Act, when we sent we beat the Russians to the moon in the Apollo program with German rocket scientists under the 1952 act, we were bringing people into the United States based on a need of the United States. The Democrats said that was racist as if you can be racist against someone who's not. U.S. citizen, not in the Constitution. So in 65, they passed a new immigration act, the Hart-Seller Act, in which they reduced the number of European immigrants. They looked to third world countries, and that's when they put in block immigration. So you're losing control of who you're bringing in. Anyway, I didn't mean to go off on a tangent there.

Peter Pappas: Right. Well, and you know, that reminds me of all the, ⁓ the dust up when president Trump during the first term, believe, ⁓ we don't want people from quote the s whole countries. And it's like, you know, so that's the, that's what he said, but then I'm starting to think about this America first when it comes to border control, when did it become, ⁓ you know, embarrassing or, against yourself to say, Hey, let's put ourselves first.

Don Brown: You can send it.

Peter Pappas: Because the United States is the scion of freedom and, and I just the democracy throughout the world. Why is it so bad to put ourselves first? So we can be on strong footing to help the people that are in these sort of world countries. And we didn't want the people from those quote as whole countries because they bring no value to the table of the American story. My father immigrated in 1968 from Greece. He was a beneficiary of the act passed in 65. Greece was a very impoverished country, but at that time those guys came over and busted their ass. My father also from Portugal, know, but now we have people, I can't convince my cousins to come over here from Greece right now. Cause they look at me like I'm crazy. They got, they can retire as teachers at 45 years old with the full pension. Why the hell should they come over to the United States and work 80 hours a week? They're not stupid, right? But so I don't see where, you know, the left has run away with this whole. you know, attacking, attacking of what Trump said, putting America first. How dare you? Well, we are Americans. And honestly, this is a country. if you think it, because I always say we talk about the trillions of dollars we're in debt, we need to break it down to it so people can understand how much money that is. But now we've got this country. Now let's break it down into your household. Whose household are you looking out for first? I earned money. I don't just give it all away and not pay my bills. I look out for my household first and I put myself in a position where I can help others to do better after I'm okay. So that's what we need to do with our country. My grandfather said you'll always have beans to eat in this house, but if you want steak, get to work. That's right. You know, but somehow we may, we bastardize that into thinking that some kind of negative thing about our neighbor. we put ourselves first, and if you think about it, just to tie this all in about what's going on right now, 42. million people are on the supplementary nutritional program. Well, it's supplementary to getting eyebrows and lashes done. That's exactly right. Holy smokes, I saw that too. But 42 in the land of plenty, we have made it. It's like a crime to require people to work. That is wrong.

Don Brown: You bring a fundamental point of discussion that needs to be discussed. I mean this whole shutdown started because the Democrats wanted to push SNAP benefits for illegals, okay? Well first of all, you raise the question why are we spending our money on illegals? But above and beyond that, SNAP benefits being food stamps. When are we going to ask the fundamental question, why is the federal government in the food stamp business to begin with? It is not constitutionally authorized. If the state wants to get into the food stamp business, that's up to the state. That's what federalism is about. But we as Republicans have to ask some hard fundamental questions about what is our, we've got to return to a federalist vision where we reduce these programs because they're driving us into bankruptcy. And I'll tell you, go ahead.

Peter Pappas: I do agree with that except for the fact that we're in that cycle where we are. And I have come up with what I think is an ingenious plan if we can implement it, is saying that, okay, you don't have an education or you do have an education or whatever. You have, we're going to pay for your college at a local community college to get a two-year degree. We're gonna pay for your food and we're gonna pay for your rent. for two complete years, fully everything. You live for free for two years. At the end of that two years, you get one quarter benefits for six months. So you have to go get a job, but you get a little bit of help to start it up. And then you never get another benefit for the rest of your life. You have used up your usage. We've given you an education. We are furthering the company or the country by ⁓ educating and getting people to work. I'm like, heck yeah. I think that's a great idea. If I do say so myself, I'm sure there's like some details that we need to figure out. I'm just like the basis of that says, here we go. We'll help you get a hand up and now we're going to teach you how to fish now go fish and don't ask me for crap. Well, I agree with that, Laura. mean, look, think about it. This country, the greatest country on the planet, the greatest experiment that we've had in human history recorded. And so what is. 10 cent or five cents out of our paycheck, the largesse of this country to make sure that our lowest, most vulnerable can eat and go to school and have the opportunity. But at what point do we should at all? That's why I say you give them a time limit. And at that end of the time limit, if you end up, if you don't do what you need to do to get ahead, not my circus, not my not a lifestyle. It should be a hand up, not a hand It's a supplemental. It's a time, it's a time to help our country get ahead. do want to draw to one question in the chat. Mr. Brown, you can't say that without explaining to those who don't even know what a federalist is from the chat. Let's talk about federalism for a minute and your, how can you sum that up for our audience here?

Don Brown: First off, I'm just Don. daddy was Mr. Brown. He went to see Jesus, but I'm just plain old Don. Federalism is generally the belief that the Constitution establishes a federal government that works for the states and whose governmental roles for the Constitution are limited, extremely limited, largely under Article 1, Section 8. with a If you go to the preamble, can understand a survivor national, established justice, survivor national defense. the fact, the last charge of the preamble is to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. So the federal government's job is to give a national protection to administer interstate commerce. So roads and airports are legitimate. do have a federal court system in Article 3, but you want to minimalize it. So the issues that you are talking about. whether they have a social safety net or not, should go back to the state government. In fact, the tenth amendment states that any power not specifically delegated to the federal government under this constitution goes to the states. And we just go through Article 1, Section 8, sets out the powers of the Congress and they're very limited. what you mean is limited federal government with the states controlling most of the power.

Peter Pappas: Amen. Bingo.

Don Brown: the federal government working for the states. And that's the best way to describe it. And we've got it, like my granddaddy used to say, bass-hackers, you know, we got a bass-hackers where you have a controlling federal government basically smashing the states. So the issues you are talking about, Laura's coming up, she's a forward thinker, you can tell. And what you think, what you're saying Laura, makes sense. But in my judgment, it ought to be the state making, the state of North Carolina making that call. Because you see, don't send the money to the federal government. First of all, they're going to sap it off and waste it.

Peter Pappas: We sure do.

Don Brown: The money that could be applied to North Carolina for a program like that, we could do it on two thirds of what the federal government would spend on it because they're scooping off our money. So it needs to come to the states to power. And it's been said that all government is local and it makes sense. I was traveling the other day and on my way to Elizabeth City and I stopped over in my hometown of Plymouth, North Carolina, I was in a coffee shop and I overheard a guy running for town council.

Peter Pappas: That's true.

Don Brown: and he had some good ideas, said, man, let's some good ideas. He found out was running for the Senate, he says, ⁓ you're running for the Senate. I said, listen, man, what you're doing is more significant than what I'm doing. Now, here's what I mean by that. Local, you know, officials are close to the people and will make immediate decisions that more quickly impact. And unfortunately, because government is the god of the Democrats, they get more involved in these local races. that's what it means. It means returning power to the states and to municipalities and the federal government operates on limited powers, not on omnipotent powers as it's tried to do. That's the best way to describe it, I would say.

Peter Pappas: And I would think that the Democrats would be pro that because at the local level you can have more immediate control over your people.

Don Brown: Well, they do want it at local level and they have control at local level. see there, see Laura, look, Mondami says, or worse is the fact, there's no problem government can't solve. In other words, he's deifying government. Government is their God, you see. That government's their God. Our God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Their God is government. And so they want power. That's right, Roman.

Peter Pappas: Right. They're looking to provide a solution instead of an opportunity. always say, hold your horses. I'm from the government. I'm here to help.

Don Brown: Right. They want to expand their power at every level. That's right. Yeah. The scariest words in the English language, Ronald Reagan. That's a good one.

Peter Pappas: So, Don, definitely, think if we had a magic wand this evening, we would solve ⁓ state world hunger education. We could have, we could have done it all. That would have been great. I do. And I do want to ask you back because I definitely have questions regarding, ⁓ there is the, guess what's called the Medicare gap or something where the state's going to have to burden more because in a perfect world, we would change these systems and fix it all. The problem is we have a system that's already kind of up and running and we have to feed this beast. President Trump had came up with a solution. I on, I posted it on Facebook. So he was saying instead of giving these supplements to the insurance companies, let's give it back to the people. And what he means by that is when you open up and make it into a free market and you give subsidies to the individual instead of the insurance company, the individuals can shop for their medical care. Think when

Don Brown: Yeah.

Peter Pappas: when people are shopping and they're comparing prices, that does what? Brings the prices down. You get more things when you see what's going on as opposed to, I spelt it all out on Facebook. Follow me on Facebook. tell you. people that order the $28 DoorDash taco instead of going to Taco Bell. What I'm saying is individuals. Yeah, I going to say, hey, I've delivered DoorDash too, but I'm not saying. Where's my DoorDash right now? ⁓

Don Brown: Yeah. Y'all make me hungry.

Peter Pappas: I'm saying what he's saying is supplement to each person instead of to your current government or whatever. Here you go. Here's the supplement based on whatever it is that the criteria, but now you're shopping for your insurance. Now your insurance company has to provide a service for you as opposed to ⁓ a jet for the guy that runs the company. Just it's like fantastic program. I'm sure they have to work out the kinks, but it's sound. I'm sure there's few things. There's always a kink when it comes to the federal government. ⁓ question for you. How are we going to return blue collar jobs back to especially around Fayetteville? We're right here, know, 295, I-95, you would think distribution centers, we wouldn't rely so heavily on Fort Bragg as income. And even to speak to something like Laura was just speaking about, you know, having a type of thing that you could essentially invest in local apprenticeships and things like that, that would be incumbent on us bringing in these jobs and us not just specifically ⁓ you know, worried about contracting and things like that. So how can we bring those in? What can we do to inspire that? I mean, I know you want to cut things like federal or, thank you very much, spending so that, you know, there isn't so much bloat, but that specifically would be helpful to the area.

Don Brown: You It's a great question and to agree it depends on which job sector we're talking about. Let's talk about agriculture for example. Okay, I grew up, my granddaddy was a tobacco farmer. I worked on the farm poking tobacco in the barn, priming tobacco, slopping hogs. I was in Belle Haven on the 4th of July, the invitation of Representative Keith Kidwell who is the chair of the Freedom Caucus North Carolina General Assembly. And let me give you a story and I'll come back to the question room. And I was there and we were in the Fourth of July parade, which is the oldest and longest, largest in North Carolina. And afterwards they, they took us in several of us who were in the parade. Matt Colisey, insurance commissioner was there, Dave Bullitt was there, Keith was there. Took us in and we had lunch at Newman's Seafood. They've got a processing plant there. And when we were there, was a great spread, fresh seafood. And I was shocked, absolutely shocked to learn that the The fish that I used to catch as a boy in the Admiral and Pamiko Sands like rockfish, flounder, herring, I would be prosecuted for if I caught those fish today because of NC fisheries. No, no, right. Yeah. I I've stood, I'm taking a stand on behalf of the shrimpers, but you know, and then you look, you look at what's happened to family farms. know, Laura was talking a moment ago about having options and she's absolutely right.

Peter Pappas: Talk about the shrimp and ban.

Don Brown: This little cell phone here is an amazing thing. I've used it for chill and tell once already. But when I was in school in Chapel Hill 100 years ago, as I say, coming out more conservative than I went in, my daddy, I pick up this, we had a thing called a landline. Y'all are too young to remember that, but it was actually a landline, you got it. And I would call home my family in Plymouth and I'd run up a $50 phone bill, my daddy would about kick my butt. Well, fast forward to 2000, last year to Trump administration, first time. My son is in Kandahar, Afghanistan with the 82nd Airborne and I'm doing FaceTime video calls with him for nothing. Well, the reason we're able to do that is because something called antitrust. You see, Ma Bell got busted up. And Roman, I'm a proponent of antitrust. In fact, going back to Laura's comment earlier, I have advocated and will continue to advocate. Blue Cross ought to be the hell up as far as I'm concerned. There ought to be options. And we're talking about cost of living issues here and jobs, but there ought to be options for you to go out and and shop medical insurance options just like you can your auto options and see antitrust came in under Teddy Roosevelt and I'm a believer that big is bad whether it's big government the bigger it gets big our big corporations bank of it the bigger they get the more Yeah, well Amazon well, we'll you a break on that one

Peter Pappas: Mm-hmm. Except Amazon, I love Amazon.

Don Brown: give you a break on that. But Amazon has some competition. You've got to use, in my opinion, antitrust to bust up some of these agricultural conglomerates we got. The idea that you've got Chinese owning land around Fort Bragg is an abomination. I favor, if you're from a country that starts with B-R-I-C-S, BRICS, these nations, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and 30 others, you're trying to bust up the US dollar.

Peter Pappas: Bingo.

Don Brown: Let's go in and take that land back from these foreign entities and make sure that that land safe in the farming industry that North Carolina farmers get the first shot at bidding of that land. It's a national security question. So depending, Roman, it depends largely on who we're dealing with, what sector or industry we're dealing with. But take farming, for example, the EPA has lost its mind. They've got ⁓ a regulation they call WUSA, Waters of the USA. And these green nutcase people came up with this idea of protecting certain types of fishes and stuff. And you're looking at rivers and streams, you know, like, like you can only catch slender one month a year now, a couple of weeks in a year now, they're not really endangered, but they just make crap up. it's gotten so I've talked to farmers who can't even move ditches on their own property because of these environmental regulations. So we have got to identify.

Peter Pappas: Yeah.

Don Brown: whether it's farming, whether it's fishing, what it might be, we've got to determine what regulations in each of these private sectors are harming those sectors the most and go to war against those regulations. Like President Reagan said, we've got to get the government off the backs of the people. You get the government off the backs of people, give us a chance to breathe, and the private sector will take care of itself. But I- to antitrust used in an aggressive manner against large conglomerates. And I'll say that I will be swinging the bat for that to try to help small business and help small farms and help our fishermen because it's a matter of national security and our economic survival.

Peter Pappas: I think that was Sanderson farms that opened up on the Chinese market. Yeah. Well, so, ⁓ Dawn, I'm going to put up your website here. ⁓ I, I just want, well, that's not it. Hold on. That far WC meeting. It's it is November 11th. Okay. is tomorrow night. for everybody that's watching, is Don Brown will be here tomorrow night at Logan's 6 PM. And in the meantime, please do some homework on Mr. Don Brown here, Don Brown for NC.com. ⁓

Don Brown: to go with this.

Peter Pappas: Don, it was a pleasure having you. We're not going to solve all the world's problems and ills this evening, but I do want to have you back. You've got a great platform and you're fired up and ready to roll. And I can appreciate that. Thank you so much for coming, Don. Yeah. Thanks for coming out, Don. I look forward to shaking your hand tomorrow and hopefully doing some work with you at the Cumberland Young Republicans. Absolutely.

Don Brown: Thank you, Peter, Roman, Laura. Thank you. It's been my honor. Look forward to being in Cumberland County more. I appreciate you all. Hope we can do it again real soon.

Peter Pappas: God bless, brother. All right, sir. Well, have a good evening. Thanks for being here.

Don Brown: God bless. Good day.

Peter Pappas: Okay. He he he popped smoke. He's out of here, man. So, ⁓ all right. Well, ⁓ that brings us guests ⁓ number two, but number one on our hearts this evening, Roman Gutierrez, ⁓ who was voluntold and elected for ⁓ young Republicans, Cumberland County. Is it Cumberland or just Cumberland? ⁓ Well, we couldn't give them the county. No, there's already a county. There was a Cumberland County young Republicans and they did not do well. They were disbanded. Right. Several years ago. this I'll let him speak. I don't know. But they were disbanded a while ago. Right. And so I guess that was kind of the methodology around, know, getting getting away from that name. But for me, it was more wanting to be inclusive of surrounding areas, not just to Fayetteville. And so sure, sure. I'll see you realize there's more than just faith. Exactly. CYR just kind of rolls off the tongue. like it. Okay. So, uh, what's your, what's your back? Like what brought you to this? Where are you from and what do you do for a living and what made you decide to get involved? Well, that's why I asked about blue collar jobs. I'm a blue collar worker. work for Healy distribution. Um, Oh, you're beer guy. That's right. I'm the beer guy. I'm the good time guy for sure. All right. Um, I'm from the area. I grew up pretty much in Grace Creek. I was Army brat. I ended up serving in the reserves for a little bit. I was a parachute rigger in the eight to four quarter master company. So shut out, you Well, tomorrow is your as veterans day. So we have to honor that little right. I actually never deployed. You're still a vet. Did you sign your name on the dotted line? I did. Right. You have been served during award time. Could you have exported death around the world on our behalf? Yeah. So you qualify. ⁓ so that that's kind of where my roots are here in the area. then, you know, after, Charlie Kirk, for sure, I was looking for a better way to get into it. And really I was always interested in the topic and just wanting to, to be sorry about that, to be trained on the, on the local politics. Cause I think that has the most impact and everybody kind of gets drawn in by national topics, but really to have that effect, it's gotta be local. I want it to be trained up. I want to be a part of training people who are very interested in it. And, you know, as motivated as I am. So there is something he does feel a little insecure. were talking. I brought secure to me. ⁓ I brought him up to the, the XCOM to introduce him around because you know, he needs to start meeting elected officials or whatever. You're a pretty good connector. I'll give you that. You're a good network. He's your promoter. You're like the Don King of the GFC. I'm the Don. I got to do something about my hair then. But I wanted him to see or whatever. he was like, he's so I'm sure the young none of the young Republicans know what to do or whatever. So he's feeling a little bit insecure about. For sure. There's some people, especially be elected as chair. Most people have had a little bit of, you know, gumption underneath them or have some background in it. But I mean, I was the only one who was was motivated enough to get up there and. know, throw myself on the, on the fire, guess. and, know, Well, I appreciate your effort. I mean, I'm not, not trying to poo poo it at all. just, ⁓ having been on a ballot, I know that it takes a certain kind of, ⁓ crazy to want to do it. We appreciate joining the club, I guess. So what are some plans you have with the Kremlin young Republicans? Right now we're looking to expand. So we're looking to grow. we're, we're meeting up and getting chartered this coming week. So the 17th, everybody who's listening. Cadillac Ranch 630, come on out, participate. ⁓ That's pretty much what's next on the agenda. And then we want to start doing a little bit of outreach with the family, get them very included in before we really start digging our heels into trying to make the biggest changes that we can. OK, so Cadillac Ranch Monday at 630. 18 to 40. 18 to 40 year olds? OK. What about older people? Can they join as associates? You can be an associate, absolutely. I'm aged out. Oh, yeah. Are you really? Yeah. I'd never guess. Look all this great. look awesome. Hey, I earned this. OK. So, yeah, we can't have associates. I still have another couple of years. You still probably cover up your wisdom. Oh, you lie to me, OK. So so there you can be an associate member if you're slightly used, slightly out of age. That's correct. How much does it cost to join the young Republicans? Right now? I believe it's a dollar a month. So about. God. Yeah, that's it. 12 whole dollars a month a year. That's it. Yeah. Dues are low. ⁓ but our expectations are high. So, for like the cost of two cheap beers a year. Yes. You could be young Republican. That's right. Two, three Miller lights, guess. one decent mixed drink. I will say that I am excited for it when we were talking, we had a two hour drive up to Greensboro yesterday. ⁓ I will say that he has some great ideas talking about, ⁓ doing like young fun things and including small children. So that encourages people with small kids to bring their kids to these functions. It's a kid friendly events. Right. Cause I have heard some pushback from some of the ⁓ meekly minded individuals in our local party about how dare they hold a young Republican event in a bar. It's like, we go to Logan's, they serve beer and liquor there. Do you want to go to, do you want to go to maybe, I don't know, dirt bag ales? It's in the name. Right. And ⁓ by the way, Cadillac ranch is going to be starting back. Okay. So back in the day, my children, when they were little, we, used to take them on Sundays to the Palomino where they taught line dancing and two-stepping. my children learned how to dance at the Palomino, which is a bar Cadillac ranches. Wasn't the Palomino like two doors down from here? Yes, it sure was. It sure was. ⁓ my God. I loved that place. So, ⁓

Guest: ⁓ my god, I loved that place.

Peter Pappas: Yes, but my kids learned how to dance there and it just so happens that the Cadillac Ranch is talking about doing the same thing. so kids are fine there. It's not like, you know, they're like, you know, everybody bellies up to the bar. They're having a meeting and doing fun. Honestly, it was a means of convenience. They were, were, you know, very giving enough to let us use the space. So that's kind of where it just took off at. ⁓ We spoke to other chapters and a lot of chapters do the same thing at local bars. So it's not something we're necessarily opposed to, but no, those of us with sensible minds think it's a good idea. Some people just want to throw stones. You know, I actually invite hecklers. I'm very open to conversation. So I think learning from that, hearing that that's actually a good thing. ⁓ I want to engage ⁓ the public so that, you know, I never got contact about that, but even if I did, you know, that's something that we We're all in the, in the age range of having kids. So we want to include our kids. mean, I have an eight year old son myself who's in the area. So absolutely. So for, and you know, I think one thing that gets lost, ⁓ with the public at large is they don't quite grasp the volunteer nature of everything. Yeah. Party related. ⁓ I think, I definitely think a lot of people locally think that the national GOP sends us money here. So we should have an office. And we should have workers. it's right. don't think you guys realize how little of nothing they were gracious enough or not. weren't going to say no. So, yeah. Yeah. So if they, somebody offers you a place to join or a place to be, you're going to take it for free. Yeah. Well, I mean, if your dues are $12 a year and there's 10 of you, yeah, there's 18 of us. Okay. All right. So you mean you're not at the four seasons. You're not even quite at $240 a year. My God. ⁓ so yeah, I think it's important more that we meet regularly and network with each other and try to find some common ground so that when it's time to run campaigns and, candidates who are worthy, worth a damn that have a platform can ask for help. Absolutely. Yeah. From the young Republicans or from the FRWC or the CCRWC, you know, if you're worth a damn as a candidate. Well, that's the key, you have to ask for help. Right. That was the worst thing is having a candidate stand up there and just not know what they're talking about, be completely uneducated on a topic. And it's an embarrassment. So we want to be a resource in having that not happen. And training people who are, you know, worth their weight in doing it. Okay. Monica in the chat, unless it's court ordered community service, would you sit down, man? I don't think that's a regulated thing. it like to be able to join the young Republicans for community service with the wrong group of people that do the criminal community service people? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, well, there's going to be one, uh, one Republican is going to be doing some community service soon, but we'll talk about that later. Um, she's got to get served. Yeah. actually have to show up to court. Yeah. Um, but I won't, I showed up. So the thing about snap benefits, and I asked this question before, maybe somebody's heard about this, you know, the requirements going to be that you have to volunteer what 20 hours a week to maintain your snap benefit? it's 30 hours a month. Okay. 30 hours, 20 tomato, tomato. So, okay. You still got to volunteer a certain number of hours, but have any of our nonprofit friends like, like Bishop or anybody that run these schools or Don't call anybody out by name. He's Bishop. Yeah. He'll come on here and defend himself. He's fine. But he's got a school that would benefit from some volunteer hours. I'm wondering, has anybody with our nonprofits thought about putting it out to, could they volunteer at places like that? don't know. wonder if we, as the Republicans can get people to volunteer with us. That's, that's, it. Let's look it up. Let's find out. It'd be better to have volunteers instead of paid door knockers. That'd be nice. Yeah, but what are you going to get with somebody that doesn't believe? you know, if they don't act right, just lie to their PO or whatever. don't make it incumbent, make it incumbent on them to do a good job or else. Or else what? else you don't get your snap benefits. They know snap for you. Pretty much. You want to eat and do a good job. You don't want to eat. Don't do a good job. That's all. So, uh, you know, we need a little bit of fear in some people's eyes, I think, you know, Monica says they're going to have a doctor's note exception. Just wait. Oh yeah. I'm sure there'll be a disability thing. The same doctor that gave them that cannabis prescription, I'm sure. Yeah. Same guy. But sometimes community service is a joke though. 911 is just a joke. That's the song. Okay. Well, whatever. You show up, you got a friend that has a thing, but like, sign my community service. Well, I was looking at the positive. Maybe we can engage people. It really wasn't about the free labor. was more, could we get more engagement? from people that would be great need to do community service. And maybe you'll find three out of 10 that are willing to come around and help. Absolutely. You're ambitious. Three. I mean, even if you just get one and a half. I won't say three fifths of anybody's and that's bad according to Monica. She says I call that slavery. So anyway, Monica said it. didn't really, you know, she anyway, I've got a bum leg. have diarrhea. said, All right. Well, Roman, I'm not here. I'm really proud of what you're trying to do. really am happy to hear that. And ⁓ so you're planning some get togethers. Yes. Any organized like outreach yet? Like, do you have any plans for anything you can talk about yet? Not yet. Yeah. Still very much in the infant process of it, but we have ⁓ some strong support and some people who are well with have a lot of people already reached out and said, Hey man, we're here as a wealth of knowledge to help you kind Okay. ⁓ to get started. So we're looking forward and this coming month we're going to be putting out a lot. So I'm already working on our social media. just, just stay active, stay looking and you're going to be seeing a lot of things coming out of us. Excellent. And when's your next meeting and who's coming? The 17th and everybody's invited. ⁓ what time the 17th at six 38 Cadillac ranch again. me and my team will be here. He did. He put it in there. Okay. I'm just, we're talking. Yeah. My co-host is always about keeping me accountable for things. Where's the prep sheet? Where's this like, right? Good Lord. Okay. ⁓ so Cadillac ranch Monday at six 30 and that will be the 17th. And for everybody that doesn't know Cadillac ranch is, on four drag road, across from the best sandwich in town at Baldino's sub shop. I'll say so myself. So what'd you say? You were bringing Baldino's. I happy to take your lunch money for any meeting that you have. They usually do pizza. You know, pizza. Well, pizza is cheap and easy. Right. want something that's going to last, you got to put it up. you're cheap and easy too. Sometimes it depends. If the lights are low enough, baby, let me tell you. you know what? really get, I really am a Rodney Dan Dangerfield kind of character. I get no respect for this piece at all. Oh, no, no, no. Let me tell you something, Peter, you are one of my favorite people. You are generous and kind and smart allergy and funny and all of it. is her making up. yeah. Well, we, ⁓ Laura, I don't know if we really, I don't really want to talk about that. We talked about mom, Donnie enough. tonight, I, you know, may the odds be ever in your favor with that clown. ⁓ I'm just going through my notes here. Like, don't, I don't know. ⁓ the government is opening up. Yes. Yes. Possibly. So, okay. I'll bring that up for a moment. that's exciting. That is, okay. my, have liberal friends. I know that's a shocker, you know, I received a compliment in the last couple of days from a person that runs a community watch in Fayetteville. When I ran for city council, ⁓ she's always been very supportive of me. And it was weird when you get support from different quarters, ⁓ you know, and, and she said, yeah, but you always talk to everybody. Right. That's why you did well. And you know, like, Cause I would, you the top vote getter? I was, I definitely received more votes percentage wise than the, any of the Republicans that ran this time. So they still can't, they can talk about me, but they can beat me. And if they want to be the man, they're to have to beat this man. They're not, they're not equipped. So, ⁓ so what just happened? The Senate voted 60 to 40 on November 9th to advance legislation aimed at ending the shutdown. Now that doesn't open the government. Okay. All that does is say that they're going to move this process forward to consider opening the government. So, and then it's there, they're going to do all their little thingies and then they vote again. Then it has to go back to the house of representatives. Then the house of representatives has to vote on it. Then it goes to the president because don't you remember? I'm just the bill on Capitol Hill. I think it's a better thing than you do. I'm sure it does. Cause I, I couldn't carry a tune in What I was going to mention about my liberal friends that I do their They're pretty, some of them are pretty dear to me, you know, just because we don't agree on the, uh, politic in general, but wasn't like we needed six Democrats or was it eight? was eight. Okay. So now that those eight have decided to come over and reopen or make the moves to reopen the government immediately, I seeing memes about how we need to vote these people out. Right. How, and it's like, wait a minute. Is compromise not the most American of delicacies? mean, is that not what makes us who we are to continue and open want to say most of the eight are retiring too after this term. So I think they threw themselves on the fire and that was kind of a... But is it really necessary to throw yourself on the fire to do the right thing by the damn people of this country? I mean, look. Nowadays, yes. Democrats quoted as saying, this is the best leverage we have. And you're a Democrat voter and you think these people care about you? Now I have no pres prescriptions that everybody in government cares about me. Okay. It's kind of like thinking the stripper likes me for me. Okay. As long as you're putting one, as long as you've got a lot of ones in your pocket, she's going to love you. But, you know, so I don't have any presumption that anybody really cares necessarily about me. Republicans don't care either. Just so you get to be fair. it's hard to distill it down to they care about you or you they care about us in general. I just feel like how, how audacious it was for these democrats senators and congressmen to be like, ⁓ this is great leverage. Right? This people starving is great leverage. felt the other way about it to say it was great leverage to see all the outrage from everybody or just you know, what it had done to individuals with being laid off their snap benefits. Look how much you're relying on the federal government. Now imagine overspending and running out of money. What's going to happen then? This is why it shows you that we really do need to act now. We need to do something. We need to be fiscally responsible. So it's all about framing. ⁓ and I don't think this was framed well, maybe on either side, but, ⁓ I tell you what, I wouldn't have known that there were 42 million people on snap benefits. So as there are some things that come good things that have come out of this, wouldn't have known that two thirds of them were overweight either. Hmm. Well, if you see what they throw in the cart, mean, some of these, some of these people land manatees, man. And you know, we are our own problem with obesity and I got a couple of pounds. can lose everybody here. You know, everybody can probably lose five or 10, but yeah, generally I am, you know, I do get high off my own supply. Jim brings me lunch from the restaurant every, you know, a couple of, but I just put on the screen. It looks like it looks like the clock from 24. don't know you guys can see that. I kind of want to hear that. the, the Tik TOK sound that it made, but that's how long 40 days, 20 hours and 38 minutes that the government has been shut down by the white house, ⁓ the official white house, ⁓ time clock on that. So hopefully we'll see that alleviate. We'll see our friends and people in our community. ⁓ cause we didn't have a very, you know, we have a lot of military dependent workers on posts that have been working. They've been, they've, they're still working, right. But they're not getting paid. I think. ⁓ somebody reached out to me and said she received her second, ⁓ LES, which I don't know what LES means. It's their leave earnings statement. Okay. Thank you. So received her second LES with zeros attached. Wow. So, and that's gotta be tough. mean, now I think it's still incumbent on anybody that works for anybody else to follow the Dave Ramsey plan of six months savings. And, know, I think there's still some responsibility to be had if you're throwing, if you're going to a bread bank or, ⁓ food bank, the first time they shut down the government within three days, then you're not living. We have, you're living well beyond your means. And maybe that needs to be addressed by some people. And I'll see if I can get Dave Ramsey to come and fill us in. would be great. You know, I do know, I do know you're supposed to have six months saving. Then you're supposed to have what they call a Dave car. I'm going to contact Dave, if you're in his office and see if we can get him on here. Yeah. He'll probably charge. pretty sure. Oh yeah, I'm sure he doesn't have to come in and serve you just so he could just talk to us. I'll, I'll, about I'll read his book. There you go. and share all of the promise to buy a book. Right. So, uh, Roman, any parting, uh, parting knowledge there, anything you want the audience to know about young Republicans besides please come and give us money and help us. Uh, I mean, you kind of got it all lined up. mean, look, there's no sense to sugar coat it, man. You know, it's, what it is. Look, we're looking to actively engage in. So I do want to, you know, I do want to emphasize that we're looking to reengage in local politics and we want to be able to, you know, make our community more representative of us. But that's going to also entail civic engagement. So come on out, let's grow together, let's lead together and let's influence local politics. Okay. Well, I think our more than 60 minutes is up. We're an ⁓ hour and 40 so far. So ⁓ I just want to say thank to Laura for being with me this evening and Roman, thank you for being patient and all technical difficulties and ⁓ Don Brown kind of stole your thunder a little bit. 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